@mer Why? Their program seem pretty leftwing to me. Do you mean the slight shift to the right with Starmer (which imo is just lipservice)

@matrix I don't see a single left wing fiber in labour
they're scabs, they defund shit just like the tories do and they fall for all the same moral panics as the tories

@mer I can see the argument that they are ineffective at passing meaningful leftwing economic policy, but, especially before Starmer, from the promises they make, the language they use/moral foundations they appeal to and their target voter base, they seem fairly leftwing to me.

@matrix nah they're not ineffective, they straight up have right wing policies
they are the perfect exemple of EU "respectable center left party" that has been dragged to the right
also >before starmer
all the labour cadres are right wing libs, the only proeminent guy was corbyn and he got benched because duh, no shot they were gonna let him get elected after the tories handed the PM seat to labour on a silver platter

@mer I do I agree that Corbyn got weirdly benched. Seemed like an internal power struggle.
The party has definitely moved towards the center, but from my more right wing perspective they're soc dems trying to widen their voterbase.

@matrix average right winger political literacy

@mer Politics is a spectrum and a game of compromise, compromising on some issues to gain power doesn't immediately turn you into your ideological opposite

@matrix aigh't say it then, what do you think is left wing about labout besides "they seem socdem to me"

@mer
I'm going mostly of their manifesto.
Nationalizing rail, Great British Energy, minimum wage increase, ending zero-hour contracts for example.
Also the promised migration restrictions didn't really happen.