@cyber_ruffy Didn't they break ActivityPub federation in general?

@foxhkron @cyber_ruffy yeah, they completely ended all federation

@lain @foxhkron @cyber_ruffy Oh wow, really? I thought it was just with #Pleroma.

@realcaseyrollins @foxhkron @cyber_ruffy at first they broke federation because they removed some essential endpoints, and pleroma didn't work without them after 48 hours, but mastodon did, so it seemed like only pleroma federation broke. in reality, all federation of new accounts broke. They then decided to quit federation because they don't like AP and it's to expensive to them (their words)

@lain @realcaseyrollins @cyber_ruffy @foxhkron
>AP is too expensive
is this true? I'd imagine that a centralized store would be cheaper

@fluffy @cyber_ruffy @foxhkron @realcaseyrollins well, not federating is less taxing than federating, but it's really not too much. you can run pleroma on the smalles vps on hetzner. they also said that federation only brings in 'lispy queer pink shit', so i suspect that the decision is not purely technical.

@lain @fluffy @cyber_ruffy @foxhkron @realcaseyrollins I think they meant it's "expensive" in the sense that they kept breaking shit and people were expecting them to fix it, and "time is money." But working with them, I saw a lot of slacking off, lack of focus and poor planning.

They also moved to new servers recently, and faced challenges migrating Mastodon:

1. The database. Millions of RSA keypairs making it extremely slow to export, copy, and import.

2. Media uploads. Terabytes of remote image uploads containing content Gab users will likely never see.

What they don't understand is that Mastodon isn't ActivityPub, and you can have a server without storing remote media. The RSA keypair issue is legitimate, but maybe they should have planned for this instead of just reacting when something goes wrong. I was able to omit keypairs from my Migrator, making the export about 300x faster (not an exaggeration).

I strongly believe they ended federation because they felt someone deserved to be "punished" for this. They refuse to punish themselves, so removing federation is like a way to "punish" Mastodon for their site being down for 4 days.