Sexy Moon
Trump vetoing is our only hope now for avoiding that "felony for illegal streaming" law.
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Brother (Strength)
@Moon Don't worry, Biden will criminalise E2E in his second term anyway, right as the EU does 👏
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Sexy Moon
@brother I've long said that e2e is toast, I think we should fight for it as long as we can but it'll get outlawed eventually.
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xianc78

@Moon @brother P2P might also be outlawed outright. The government can just force all ISPs to block the protocols. Really, we are a few terrorist attacks away from having governments to start cracking down on this shit.

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Brother (Strength)
@xianc78 @Moon They can false flag terrorist attacks any time they want as a casus belli to do it. And they will, I guarantee it. They do it all the time.

The question shouldn't be how to politically delay it, but how to ensure the architecture cannot be compromised.
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xianc78
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>The question shouldn't be how to politically delay it, but how to ensure the architecture cannot be compromised.

I think we're going to need an alternative to the physical infrastructure of the Internet entirely and not just some new protocol, alternate DNS root, or anonymity layer. I think a fully decentralized meshnet would be the best approach. All nodes are interconnected with no middle-men like ISPs or DNS servers. This would make it significantly harder for governments to start meddling with communication.

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Brother (Strength)
@xianc78 @Moon I agree with you completely, but how can we even make that happen? That Czech meshnet seems to be the largest one ever created and it's fucking dead now.
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xianc78

@brother @Moon I'm not an expert on this, but I think long-range wi-fi routers could be enough to cover large gaps between certain meshes. There are a lot of wireless meshnets in urban areas we just need to find a way to connect them.

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Brother (Strength)
@xianc78 @Moon Yeah but very little of the planet is urbanised. And what about the oceans? How could a meshnet span the Atlantic?

There are so many barriers. I'm not even sure where to begin. But this shit HAS to be overcome or we're all completely fucked.
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xianc78

@brother @Moon It makes me wonder if there are enough boats and airplanes covering the globe at any given time that they can be used as nodes. HAM radio could be used for intercontinental communication but that is heavily regulated by the FCC.

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xianc78

@brother @Moon Wait, scratch that. I didn't realize that flight companies would never be able to get away with this.

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Brother (Strength)
@xianc78 @Moon Not should they be trusted with it. A company is just a micro state, same shit.
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xianc78

@brother @Moon But with a meshnet, companies will naturally own nodes. Once their computers are connected, they are automatically nodes of the network. And I don't think that any company could ever gain control of a meshnet since every connected user is part of the infrastructure.

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Brother (Strength)
@xianc78 @Moon Tbh I don't know enough about meshnets to judge whether it would be possible for a node operator to fuck it up but I do know who I can't trust more than I can throw them
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