I'm at the point where the concept of believing in a political solution for America almost seems nostalgically quaint...
"Awww, you still think the oligarchs will allow you to vote them out of power... how cute." :puniko_giggle3:
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@Indigo At this point, I only have faith in local/state governments. Maybe if we're lucky, we can get them to secede.

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@xianc78 "Small government" is an oxymoron, I do agree it's better than centralized power though. At this point, there is no confidence in the current system on either side of the political spectrum, and America is going to balkanize in our lifetimes; so my hope is that when that happens, a lot of land will simply become unincorporated territory, and those with the capabilities/resources will use these regions to start establishing breakaway areas independent of the state.
I don't believe the state will ever completely disappear, but an alternative could realistically present itself when the time comes, and once America is certifiably no longer a world power or an empire, there'll be more opportunities for those types of areas to develop.
@Indigo @xianc78 Small govt isnt rlly an oxymoron, Australia's govt is quite small compared to EU, China or USA (our Federal govt is still batshit insane tho), but yeah, it's like do wanna get hit with a big stick or small stick?.. doesnt matter, it's still gonna hurt.

Thoreau's quote is pree badass tho: "I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."
@cee @xianc78 Yeah, I can respect that point of view, I like the idea of using local goverments for creating the possibility for more incremental freedom on a local level, eventually evolving into a secessionist movement once things get real.
Thoreau is right though, it isn't going to happen overnight, and I'll certainly take minarchism over the hell we're in now.

@Indigo @cee Hoppe's strategy for achieving ancapistan is having the states break away bit by bit. First going down to the states/provinces, then the cities, until you get down to the individual properties.

Recently, I was thinking that we could combine agorism with secessionism. Once, the states are divided into small independent jurisdictions, the counter-economists can dissolve those micro-states.

@xianc78 @cee I agree, that's basically the scenario I want, I'm just very blackpilled on politics as a realistic way of achieving it.

@Indigo @cee Same here. While I do think we can influence politics on a local/state level compared to federal, I don't know if secession is fully possible. Given the current political climate, I see any attempt at secession being viewed as white nationalist/separatist by the mainstream, regardless of the true motive behind the secession. It also depends on whether or not these local areas can be self-reliant because I'm pretty sure the mainland is going to cut off the supply chain.

Right now, we are heading more towards globalism than localism with shit like The Great Reset and Agenda 21 & 30. Hell, I bet the next global crisis will have a much bigger impact than COVID and will finally be the call for an actual world government.

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