I think my disillusionment with the "Libertarian" movement can be broken into two halves, both of which boil down to semantics when you think about it.
The first is economics, and the begrudging admission that it is, at this point, impossible to separate the "bad" of capitalism (cronyism, corporatism, etc.) from the "good" (free enterprise, individual ownership etc.) without it fundamentally becoming something else in a modern context.
This is why I call myself a "free market Anarchist" and not an AnCap; it's because that while I do think free markets are the way to go, I can't live in the delusion that the monster "capitalism" has been perverted into by oligarchs and billionaires can be fixed by restoring "real capitalism," any more, I think those days Ron Paul pined for in those books I read in high school are probobly gone forever now.
The second is the simple fact that they will *never* leave you alone. Galt's Gulch is a fantasy and it will never exist. You can't fuck off to a cabin in the mountains, because the state will eventually come and take your cabin no matter how many guns or bars of gold you have squirreled away.
If the state is allowed to perpetuate it will inevitably become a tyrannical dictatorship (we're already there in all but name), this is what "Minarchists" don't seem to get, the state is a germ, and if you don't kill it then all you're doing is treating symptoms. And if we're going to eliminate the state, then we need to completely retool society to create something compatible with anarchy, we can't do that by digging our heels in and buying crypto.
Whatever productive form that takes, whether it's AnComs making functional communes apart from the state, or Agorists replacing state functions with counter-economics, I'm with it. Your flag can be any color as long as it's black.

@Indigo I agree that the word "capitalism" has been tainted by both the "left" and even the "right" to some extent. I prefer "Voluntaryist" or "Panarchist" because those terms sound more "inclusive" and less alienating and they don't imply that capitalism would be the only economic system. "Market anarchist" might imply mutualism or market socialism which I'm not exactly for, but not really against either. Honestly, I'm more in favor of P2P economies. I think that an economy that is mostly comprised of self-employed entrepreneurs is pretty based and advancements like 3D printing can make it a reality.

>we can't do that by digging our heels in and buying crypto.

There has been a lot of anti-crypto talk lately. I'm not anti-crypto, but I agree that we should not treat it like a panacea. It's pretty useful for doing counter-economics over the Internet, but I think for local stuff, people should just stick to precious metals. And people should consider using privacy coins like Monero or PirateChain over something like Bitcoin where all transactions are publicly visible on the blockchain.

People should also consider the fact that the state can (and probably will) force ISPs to block crypto protocols along with anonymizers like Tor, I2P, and VPNs. So, Agorists and crypto-anarchists better start creating underground ISPs and/or meshnets for when the time comes. Biden already signed an executive order that will include more crypto-regulations and is probably going to introduce a central-bank digital currency once the US dollar collapses.

@xianc78 @Indigo statism is a very invasive form of weed / mould yes.

i don't really believe in free markets. lightly strategically tampered ones, maybe. market systems are the best we've got but they have many failure modes.

@icedquinn @Indigo Maybe we can have community regulation of the market instead of state regulation. I think that's what the mutualists want.

@xianc78 @Indigo i think any form of anything has to deal with the complacency and normalcy biases that enable the morons in charge.

the whole forced mask and jab overreaction is basically a test to see how far they can take it. if you force bullshit on the population and hold it long enough for them to rationalize a new normal, then people's inherent adaptability is able to rationalize the current world state as normal and good (ex. the normalcy bias.)

complacency bias is when good times permit bad behavior. the existence of strong men taking war of the table for instance, means a new generation doesn't have to face it. but since they don't face the enemy they don't carry the counters for those kinds of enemies. then defeated enemies just step back in to the ring and hunt on their fresh defenseless prey.

you can see these two problems everywhere.

@xianc78 @Indigo other examples of this is how medicine used to operate with free market and individualist principles. you hire a doctor using your own choice of quality standard, the medical community used metaregulation (can't be a part of this guild or union without so many hours under a doctor who is known to be competent, etc) they give you an opinion on what drugs to buy, pharmacy doesn't care why you want to buy a bottle of sforzandium. suddenly big rich folk turn the whole thing in to a nanny state, scare weak people with crisis after crisis (mostly all exaggerated,) and then the no-freedom market is now of course how it should work because it's always* worked like that.

to return the compromised market to a free one they now force you in to arguing why there should be deregulation, instead of arguing why the regulation is still necessary**.

* always as in, its now within the overton window
** which is subject to complacency because sometimes regulation prevents issues that are then hard to foresee that removing the regulation would resume said issues, ex., someone who just ate isn't thinking about dinner. but having to argue to the negative is also unreasonably hard since people won't let you do it without the right kind of sob story

@Indigo @xianc78 if i recall ancaps pretty much believe in voluntarist metaregulation, as in, the homeopathy society forms a union and they decide who gets to be a member and then its up to you to decide if you trust the society's opinion or not (this was the original form of medical licensing before state clowns took over.)

this is a good thing, because regulations are then also subject to the market which means bad regulators are forced out.

@Indigo @xianc78 but a free market is subject to extreme wealth attacks where someone gets enough money to dictate terms. i brought this up and @lain just sent me links about "oh no robber barons didn't exist" but like

that's literally how statism works. some clowns with guns show up and say you're only allowed to listen to the meta-regulator we chose now, or we'll kill you.

how do voluntarist ideals deal with that kind of thing