Just a headsup, the "based" PeerTube makers have their own version of fashtag FediBlock for PeerTube instances:
https://peertube_isolation.frama.io/list/

It's just that PeerTube is currently the only federated video sharing software, but I think any alternative preferrably one that doesn't depend on SoyScript will be worth switching to.

@ryo It uses JavaScript because it uses WebTorrent to save server space.

@xianc78 @ryo From time to time I wonder if it would be better for browser to natively support all of that stuff instead of relying on JavaScript to use it, or if it would just make things worse giving the tendency to replace everything with webshit :jotarosweat:
@kerosene @xianc78 @ryo The problem with Flash is it simply got replaced by HTML5/JS/WASM and websites didn't get less bloated. They just got bloated without plugins this time around.
@PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 Don't forget CSS3, HTML5 is the only one of the 3 that never gets "minified" by the way (which ironically doesn't make the files anything more minimal, it's the same bloat, but all on 1 line instead of over 9000 lines).
Also, WASM came a whole lot later.
@wowaname @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 The only good thing HTML5 has that other HTML's don't is video and audio support.
Other than that, XHTML 1.1 is the only true standard.
@ryo @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 i generate my websites in XHTML5, it is semantically more expressive than HTML4/XHTML1.1 with the new tags
@wowaname @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 Ah, never heard of that one.
Thanks, I'll read through it.
@ryo @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 it's literally a thing i drafted in a day and forgot about lol, but it gives an idea as to where i stand on html
@wowaname @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78

> Any HTML5 tag or attribute marked deprecated.
> Any HTML5 tag or attribute marked nonstandard and/or vendor-specific.

I don't think it's really sustainable in the long run, considering the WHATWG (which consists entirely of all the major browser makers, which also control the browser engines almost all browsers use these days) is still calling the shots that way.

To me it seems more like a cope to the problems HTML5 creates rather than an attempt to make the web less bloated.
But if it works for you, then so be it.
To me XHTML 1.1 is what works.
@ryo @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78
>problems HTML5 creates
you never really specified what problems those were. css3 and ecmascript are entirely divorced from html5. i don't support either of those going forward.
@wowaname @kerosene @xianc78 @ryo I never used CSS when I made web pages in school for class and they wanted you to use CSS so desperately for some fucking reason. The only thing that's good about it is you can style several pages at once.
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>The only thing that's good about it is you can style several pages at once.

Which also can be done if you have sever-side scripting or static-site generation scripts (you can easily whip up a simple static-site generator in almost any scripting language). CSS should've been deprecated but HTML5 pretty much makes it mandatory to use CSS for styling. You can't even align text without CSS in HTML5.

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@xianc78 @PhenomX6 @kerosene @ryo what in holy hell are you on about? html itself should not have any styling capabilities.

the only reason i use css still, is because there isnt a good web browser that shows me just the content of a page, and there arent good web standards that will promise me that webadmins will only serve me content in a format that doesn't require a thousand gigabytes of layout and scripts
@wowaname @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 Sounds like you might want to try browsing the internet using the Gemini protocol.
No JS, no CSS, though also no HTML.
But it's plain text.
@ryo @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 gemini has really bad design decisions, they could have kept it at the transport layer and it would have been "fine" but they went ahead and decided to have an opinion about TOFU (i know all about CAs i still prefer them for now from an administrative standpoint and from my specific threat model). plus the markdown soygoys are all on that shit. i use markdown but not as a final presentation format. i'd rather have a structured document language... like html or even some shit like docbook
@ryo @PhenomX6 @kerosene @xianc78 have not seen one gmni client that doesnt look like an absolute meme too
@PhenomX6 @kerosene @ryo @xianc78 also i unironically like HTTP/1.1 and would rather use the "standard" MIME-like header format than anything else. it's easy just not to send a User-Agent or any of the other useless headers if you don't want to. only thing left is to convince good websites that this is ok (and good websites shouldnt even be blocking those UAs anyway because they arent misbehaving at all)
@PhenomX6 @kerosene @ryo @xianc78 only time i find a UA useful is when im scraping a site and wanna put my email there in case theres a problem. i think thats common bot etiquette across the web by now
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