@lanodan Okay, the Google Play one is wrong, but the logo is more like the Seal of Satan which is also a masonic symbol.

Also some Gematria:
Gmail = 42 (Ordinal)
Freemason = 42 (Reduction)

Facebook was founded on February 4th which in d/m format is written as 4/2. Facebook also started as a DARPA project known as Lifelog (the project was killed the same day Facebook was launched)

Lifelog = 33 (Reverse Reduction)
Masonry = 33 (Reduction)

@ryo @xianc78 Note: Linux and BSD don't prevent you from being stuck with Google crap.

@lanodan @xianc78 I know.
And this is exactly what always bothered me back when I was still at the PINE64 forums.
People would buy a PinePhone to get as far away from Goolag and Fakebook as possible, and as soon as they unboxed the phone and configured it, they reach out to the forums and ask how to install WhatsApp, GayMail, JewTube, and Goolag Drive on it.
Just why the fuck did you get a PinePhone then?

@ryo @xianc78 Those are just idiots.

I mean more like how several software projects, even ones not made by google just copy over stuff from google monorepos (aka bundling of dependencies to screw with distros), here is some examples:
- WebKit (and probably also firefox) uses ANGLE for WebGL, has no releases, can't be easily packaged as a system library, often a source of breakages
- NodeJS, wasm-c-api, wabt, … uses chromium *internal* JS engine (V8), which can't be easily packaged as a system library
- Firedfox uses "LibWebRTC", which is yet another thing internal to chromium, which also of course comes with a copy of Google's own fork of OpenSSL (BoringSSL) and probably other "fun" things like this.

@lanodan @xianc78 NodeJS, Electron, WASM, and so on is simply a matter of not developing in it and not using anything made with it.
With the only exception of MyMonero, I have literally nothing on my ThinkPads that uses Electron.
And on my desktop I have Bisq, but that's because it's literally the only way to get fiat into crypto (I don't care about crypto to fiat at all) without the KYC bullshit.

@lanodan @xianc78 Browsers on the other hand, it's just hard to mitigate that in current year.
You can use different CLI, TUI, or GUI apps to minimize your dependence on a browser where possible, and perhaps use something like Netsurf or Lynx for the remaining part as long as it doesn't depend on any of the soydevvery.

@ryo @lanodan Speaking of NetSurf, I tried it with my personal website. It can't read my navbar which is the only JS part I have on there.

Yeah I know, I should probably find a better way to handle the navbar but this is the only way I know how to do it without resorting to a static-site generator (or using an iframe). But I don't think there is any reason why NetSurf still can't handle even the most basic JS. (The navbar script is just a few document.writeln() calls)

@ryo @lanodan Forgot the screenshot.

@xianc78 @lanodan Basically the same thing what I see in every other browser, as I disable JS by default, and only allow it to run where either I trust it, or it's just a soyte I must be able to access (online banking for example).

@ryo @lanodan I think I learned that trick from Apple almost a decade ago. Another trick that I learned (which I don't know if it works anymore) is to make mailto links using onclick instead of href because apparently, most spam bots can't read JS.

@xianc78 @ryo
> breaking your site to avoid spam bots

Just put a spam trap, you'll likely get one for free anyway if one of your address leaks in a database (and you use per-service emails, most providers support + or . to make sub-addresses).

@lanodan @xianc78 Every spam mitigation gets broken at some point.
Sadly, very few people seem to get it, and instead get more and more desperate to stop spam.
So much so that they end up making their entire websoytes very anti-human and pro-bot ironically.

@ryo @xianc78 Well most people have literally no idea what they're doing.

It's like as put in the SUV vs. bicycle metaphor used in the [url=https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm]The Website Obesity Crisis[/url] talk. All sorts of irrational tricks where they might as well believe the "Free Energy!" shit you see on youtube, instead of thinking carefully about the problem at hand.

@xianc78 @lanodan They can.
I even tried to make the form needed to send a reply depend on JS as a test, and a "noscript" just saying "FUCK OFF!!".
And the spambots were still able to submit comments as if nothing has changed.
Just making comments with "http" and "https" in them fail to submit was way more effective, but eventually they got around even that one.

And even if it would have worked, spambots still see the email address.
They don't care if it's in onclick or in href attributes, all they care about is that they can recognize an email address in plain text, it's then a matter of just sending spam to that email address.

@xianc78 @ryo Sure it doesn't works with JS enabled (compile-time) in netsurf?

But well there are several navbars out there without a JS dependency.
And there is several ways to include/concatenate files, none of those involve frameworks (aka static-site-generator).

@lanodan @ryo I didn't realize that JS was disabled by default. Now it works.

>And there is several ways to include/concatenate files, none of those involve frameworks (aka static-site-generator).
You mean like writing shell scripts to concat the files using commands like cat? That's no different from a static-site generator to me, even if it's less bloated.

@xianc78 @ryo Yeah. cat, ed, sed, …
And sure you could argue it ends up being a SSG but with much less problems.

You'll probably want to have a basic one anyway to have RSS/Atom feeds.

@lanodan @ryo Well I need to learns those utilities first because I never bothered learning them despite using Linux for over a decade now.

@xianc78 @lanodan Yea, the only alternative I can see is to just hardcode the navbar in pure HTML.
Unless you plan on adding and removing pages all the time, or changing their names all the time, I honestly can't really see why you won't just put it in there statically.

@ryo @xianc78 I have literally nothing that uses electron.

@lanodan @xianc78 I will perhaps give Feather wallet a try, which isn't Electron (same kind of wallet as the official wallets for Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Litecoin, and Pirate Chain).

@ryo @lanodan You could try CLI wallets.

@xianc78 @lanodan I tried for multiple other wallets, and didn't like the fact it didn't show my balance and stuff correctly.

Maybe a TUI app made in ncurses (or perhaps termbox as that's apparently what Suckless recommends now over ncurses) would eventually be the best in between spot.