Reminder that as garbage software for garbage people, Mastodon does not tell you what instances are being blocked by the instance you're using.

Good luck and have fun.
I've been experimenting and I'm finding out which instances are letting posts go through, and which are lying about what instances they block with the SPARC some more.

As it turns out, an awful lot of Mastodon instances are lying about what instances they block because their visible blocklists are old as shit.
Even better, 9/10 just pull in the same few lists of blocked instances. Including SPC, Baest, and more.

So when ecelebs like RMC join, turns out you can't follow them because they're using shit tier instances run by jannies because "oh cool this is a nice theme I think I'll join without reading the ToS".
One of the biggest issues that is going to be harming adoption of the fediverse is the e-mail problem, and who is enabling it.

By now it's well known what happened to e-mail. Google and pals basically control it now because essentially all the normies signed up for one service, and if you don't use Google or someone they approve all emails are sent to /dev/null to stop spam. There is a risk that someone like Google could make a big instance and get normies onto it and force them into it with defederation.

On one hand the biggest company to care about the fedi is Pixiv with Pawoo (now owned by a game publisher), but on the other hand there's already a defederation problem with instances adding other instances because they were told they're bad. Which means if you join an instance like SPC or FSE, you find yourself blocked from many instances which are just cargo culting instance blocks since they're not supposed to ask questions, just block the bad people to "protect" your users. Just like a few other cults, everyone else has to defederate them too or one click of "external source" means the illusion shatters...and you find out everyone online is actually talking shit about you.

This could happen if normies sign up for Mastodon.social or instances with janny problems as they force other instances into their janny pacts, and it's why the only way forward is to decentralize the fedi more.
@PhenomX6 The ability to block an entire instance just because 1 user who's following 1 different user out of the thousands on a different instance has said "nigger" 8 years ago is ultimately what destroys the entire point of decentralization.
I think if one day I find myself developing an alternative protocol, I'll just be the benevelant DICKtator for life of that project, and explicitely gatekeep instance blocking feature out.

As much as I'd like to take advantage of that by getting the soyful idiots to block us, as loli frog told me the other day, a hands off no rules and no censorship approach is a way better form of gatekeeping than trying to gatekeep with moderation, rules, and censorship.

@ryo @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com @neatchee I’m afraid I don’t follow your logic. How exactly does instance blocking destroy the point of decentralization with respect to social media? If a user doesn’t like the rules of one instance, they can move to a different instance with different rules, or better yet, start their own. Some communities choose to take a hard stance against hate speech to promote inclusivity, others don’t have that ideal at the forefront of their agenda.

@Freefromfall @ryo new users hardly know that instance blocking is a thing let alone make the decision to move because of it

imagine your friend finally comes onto fedi and you can't talk to them because their instance defedded you because you refused to denounce some other instance that they have a beef with

@hakui @ryo @Freefromfall I'm not ever going to open my users up to seeing hateful ideologies on their TL (reactive blocking instead of proactive) just because Joey wants to talk to Bobby who is on a server that federates with f*ckj*ws.social. People can figure it out, they're not idiots.

@neatchee @ryo @Freefromfall must be tough babysitting an entire instance of kids who don't have their own agency, salutes to you

@hakui @ryo @Freefromfall Aaaaaaand you've just lost all credibility. Protecting my users isn't babysitting. It's kindness.

I can't teach you to care about other people.

But go off, chief. Individualism will surely get you lots of friends who will actually be there for you when you need it :AquaThumbsUp:

@neatchee @ryo @Freefromfall the fact that i can list at least ten instances on your list that no longer exist shows you just stuck someone else's list up yours without checking if the reasons on the list were justified, very responsible and kind of you there

like, absturztaube is one of the more chill instances out there and they're on your list lmao

but go off, janny. collectivism won't get you friends either, just people you have to babysit who will eventually eat your own :smug3:

@hakui @ryo @Freefromfall Bro, they federate with kiwifarms and extremist instances. idgaf if their members are "chill". Yes, I pulled from prebuilt lists, because I'm an adult who doesn't have time to investigate every instance. I can always remove them later if people complain.

I'm done with this conversation. I don't even know why you care. Just don't join our server.

Gonna be looking into your server now, as having people like you around likely means I need to block ya'll too ;)

@neatchee @hakui @ryo @Freefromfall Just to clarify, you’re nuking one of the most laid back and nicest instances simply because they won’t bend the knee and defederate from people you believe they should. Not because they or their users did anything, but simply because they won’t do what you want them to do. What an.. interesting.. perspective. :thinking_cirno:

@wolfie @ryo @hakui @neatchee “chill” is quite an ‘interesting’ term for an instance that federates with extremist groups… 🤦

@Freefromfall @wolfie @ryo @hakui @neatchee there is an interesting question here: who is the real extremist group?
Is it the so called "extremist group" that warrants a "defed by association", or is it the group that tries to force you to abide by their rules or risk defed?

@Suzu @ryo @hakui @Freefromfall @neatchee That’s honestly a fair question. Though, I suppose the answer to which is also entirely defined by ones perspective

@wolfie @ryo @hakui @Freefromfall @neatchee isn't it funny when fascists think they aren't fascists, but everyone else is?
@TerminalAutism @ryo @Freefromfall @Suzu @hakui @neatchee @wolfie The leftist / anarchocommie narrative about the "pandemic" is the most puzzling thing out there. They used to hate "big pharma" like here https://inequality.org/great-divide/big-pharma-firm-brought-us-opioid-crisis/ and suddenly they worship it. They will complain all day long about evil capitalism making their magical "vaccine" expensive, but will never bother to question its safety or effectiveness - or any of the other COVID restrictions for that matter. Reading some of those anarchist websites is like a window into another world.
@digdeeper @Freefromfall @Suzu @hakui @neatchee @ryo @wolfie I heard them complain about it being expensive as well. Which is interesting considering that the governments that they support brag about it being "free", and they are all for the government paying inflated prices for their stuff.
@TerminalAutism @Freefromfall @Suzu @hakui @neatchee @ryo @wolfie

The price is inflated by 20 times the amount of the cost of production. But there should not even be a single dose given of this stuff, so what does it matter? And the anarchocommunists ignore this.
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@digdeeper @wolfie @TerminalAutism @ryo @hakui @Freefromfall @neatchee @Suzu Once in a blue moon, I do check what /leftypol/ is up to, and last time I checked (which was a while ago), they were against the vaccine and all the COVID mandates.

But I wish those guys (along with people on the other side) would also realize that Antifa is another psy-op.

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