tbh i have no reason to believe if the FSF had a different figurehead they would suddenly be more socially palatable.

the reality is most people do not fucking care at all about their own freedom or wellbeing and happily throw themselves in to metaphorical meat grinders. they will actively fight you to defend their crack additions.

there is no person on earth who can suggest lets abolish government subsidies that won't be buried alive by everyone who profits on subsidies.

@icedquinn I'd go as far as saying that Stallman has done more good than harm with his outlandishness, as it brings them far, far more attention than someone "normal" would ever bring.

@Alex i think he did good by actually writing software and the licenses. although since he does neither he's something of a liability. all he's really good for anymore is just blocking them from colonizing the FSF with people suffering from shiva syndrome

@Alex because of the 'or later' clause there is a real threat of corporate goons getting themselves or soyjacks in to the org and making GPLv5 "haha we can do anything we want now fuck you" and then amazon et all just invokes the or later clause to delete all the protection.

It's sad that a lot of businesses see the AGPL as a cancer now. Most VC funding comes with straight specifically baring the use of any GPL code. Then you see companies/projects like Redis and Caddy making poor licensing changes in order to monetize their products. GPL seems to be the license of hobbyists and true believers.

@djsumdog @icedquinn Corpos are evil and always seeking to cause harm, so of course they'd rally against the use of something which has a primary purpose of minimizing the harm they can cause.

@Alex @djsumdog ah i haven't used caddy in a while. i did like it. people complained at me it was bloat. i used h2o for a while and went back to lighttpd

but yes the GPL is strictly designed to use capitalism's own copyright laws to ban capitalists. and the best part is it doesn't do it in some stupid way like a lot of collectivist licenses. it does it by ... requiring you to respect the commons exactly as you received it for free.

seriously. read The Plenitude. colonizing the commons is a real doozy of a chapter.

@Alex @djsumdog always seeking to cause harm might be attributing too much.

lately i just refer to them as value maximizers. whether anyone gets hurt or anyone gets anything useful is completely outside the mindset. their job is to maximize paperclips and if it requires destroying all of creation then so be it

I’d prefer if they went back to maximizing the paperclips instead of trying to get their ESG/DEI scores up to save the planet. At least in the former case you know they’re going to destroy everything and are honest about it. Now they’re going to destroy civilization, but disguise it in a small group of morons who think they have the solutions to imaginary global problems.

@djsumdog @Alex i dunno. sounds like a dance for the rich problem.

if the rich tell you to kill your neighbor for a chocolate bar people would.

@icedquinn @djsumdog Especially with rich people developing cults of personality; Elon wouldn't even need to bribe his fanboys with a chocolate bar, for example.

@Alex @djsumdog its very concerning how much wealth exists yet the majority of us are expected to knife fight over pickles.

A lot of that wealth isn’t real. Look at the cluster-fuck that’s FTX. There’s a lot of funding and margins and returns and a lattice structures of businesses (Netflix, Uber, housing companies in LA) that pull in a ton of revenue, but are still in the red because they have to spent more to keep that revenue stream (especially Netflix since they have to make new content to keep subscribers). Then when that breaks apart, you get the 2008 “too big to fail” bullshit where the government chooses who wins and looses (or the coming 2023 dotcom bust where private VCs will get to choose who lives and dies).

At the same time, I don’t want to be like the marxists that faults the wealthy for their wealth. It takes a high degree of risk to get to the point of Amazon or Tesla, and in the beginning at least, these leaders have to convince hundreds and then thousands to share their vision; the earliest often worked 80~90 hours a week in the startup phase. People who come along three years in want free lunches and equity and four day work weeks without knowing what it cost to make that foundation.

Meanwhile, despite all that wealth (and because of it) people keep giving more of their money to Apple, Amazon, Valve, Sony, Samsung .. etc … competing in that world is hard, and cutthroat (because you have to be unethical to make it with the big boys, or at least very cunning). … I don’t know. It’s more complex than rich man bad.

@djsumdog @Alex i came to the conclusion we're fantastically wealthy by looking at the FRED M1 chart and recalculating minimum wage based on the *actual* inflation via printing instead of their made up inflation numbers.

people say BUT QUINN it's not inflation until the market notices! if they print money and shove it up their ass as butt plugs it's not real economic activity!

basically that 15$ minimum wage people brag about should be more like 50$/hr because if you adjust the currency by how much its being printed the average millenial works for basically 2$/hr