I think all online RW culture is stagnant, we need to cluster into small groups and scatter until something shows up to unite us again. In the meantime important interaction should be happening in scattered chats that no one knows exists.
Just like how the right will sometimes fall for neocon/rhino/whatever talking point, the actual real left will also often devolve into shitlibs behavior and talking point because their spaces has been practically mostly that for the past decade now
All in all, the Internet in general gotta be de-2016'd, but that was a pandora's box that's most likely never closing
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>All in all, the Internet in general gotta be de-2016'd, but that was a pandora's box that's most likely never closing
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that it's all intentional. It makes it easier to control people when everyone is in their own ideological echo-chamber where there ideas can never be challenged.
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>There's been theories all over that the CIA/whatever has basically completely fucked over "the left" and the overall current states of online and big outlets politics is confusing on purpose
I think it goes back further than that. Once upon a time, liberalism, republicanism, and populism were considered "left". There is theory that communism, socialism, and left-anarchism are all controlled opposition ideologies made to undermine the enlightenment and liberal movements in Europe by being extreme versions of what the enlightenment movement wanted, and those ideologies were made to devolve into fascism (i.e full top-down control) by design.
>And then there's the "the commies!!!" thing. You'll see online, all of the big breadtubers, twitter accounts with communist sign, socialists, etc... They're basically just shitlibs
>And then there's the weird disconnection between the actual socialists (they're usually not completely 100% socialists nowadays), communist and co. that rages when... let's say Sargon as an example, use the term "communists"
In their purest definitions, socialism is where the workers control the means of production, and communism is a classless, moneyless, and stateless society. So I guess you could make the argument that the "not real communism" counter-argument is correct, but that leaves the question on whether a communist society is even possible or desirable, assuming they aren't controlled opposition ideologies like I suggested earlier.
Also, just how people are confused by the definitions of communism and socialism, I think people are confused about the definition of capitalism. A far-leftist will argue that rich people buying/bribing politicians, wars for economic gain, etc are all examples of the "evils" of capitalism, yet a right-libertarian would say otherwise as those examples violate the non-aggression principle. Every ancap vs ancom debate I've seen devolves into these types of arguments.
@xianc78@gameliberty.club @animepfp@radiofreegreenland.org @nozaki@mugicha.club @coolboymew@shitposter.world Well, a major issue is that we can't agree on what kind of a world we want if we get rid of the evil puppet masters. Sometimes it's trivial, but other times it's bigger like "we want to have a country for our own people" and "we want you to not have that, majority minority is the future!" But, it's definitely confused on purpose, just like how Amazon used/uses a heatmap system to figure out common employee associatings, so they can figure out who the break up to prevent unionizing from happening.
@Calvin @nozaki @coolboymew @animepfp Give every ideology it's own city-state and problem solved.
@nozaki@mugicha.club @coolboymew@shitposter.world @animepfp@radiofreegreenland.org @xianc78@gameliberty.club I would agree, except for the issue of superpowers. How would you prevent yourself from being taken over? Just a thought.
There's been theories all over that the CIA/whatever has basically completely fucked over "the left" and the overall current states of online and big outlets politics is confusing on purpose
I see this in political discourse where nothing makes sense anymore. As I previously described it, the liberal left are now completely illiberal, they have completely turned on a 180 on free speech and co and can barely be called "the left" anymore, so what do you even call them? Functionally, they're "the new left", but they're not actually advocating for actual left wing stuff other than superficial identity politics shit that does nothing (on purpose, for sure), so there's a constant fight on the definitionno of it. the actual left are pissed and ineffective and outnumbered, and the defintion is muddled because the right are "right" in that they're the new left overall even if none of what they do is really leftist
And then there's the "the commies!!!" thing. You'll see online, all of the big breadtubers, twitter accounts with communist sign, socialists, etc... They're basically just shitlibs
And then there's the weird disconnection between the actual socialists (they're usually not completely 100% socialists nowadays), communist and co. that rages when... let's say Sargon as an example, use the term "communists"
For the actual left, communist is ☺️ "communism", all the people are equal (good), capitalists rich CEO don't get to completely rob the people are yadda yadda
For the right, the Sargons, etc. it's communism
... I could probably write more but I've written enough. What's annoying is that we currently have a shitflinging fight on what is a definitional difference when both of them could be great friend with a few ideological differences
Yes, it is most likely been astroturfed to shit to ultimately have this happening