No one cares about GNU because Richard Stallman, while important, is acomplete fucking weirdo cult leader and absolutism about "free software" drives most normal people who just want stuff that works and isn't actively getting worse and/or getting AI crammed into it by force.
@sam@froth.zone Hot take: He's done more bad than good for free software
@mischievoustomato @sam @waifu and making it an evangelization thing makes free software itself worse
if your selling point of your software is just "it's free!", there isn't much else good to say about it, most likely
if your selling point of your software is just "it's free!", there isn't much else good to say about it, most likely
@nemesis @mischievoustomato @sam @waifu yes, the best free advocacy for free software is the software actually being good
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@arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato normies will not care that it's "libre" but they will care that it's enshittification resistant. You're not going to wake up to git showing you ads.
@RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato
>but they will care that it's enshittification resistant.
But it's not. Linux devs have a fetish with reinventing the wheel every ~5 years. Things are worse than they've been 10 years ago.
>but they will care that it's enshittification resistant.
But it's not. Linux devs have a fetish with reinventing the wheel every ~5 years. Things are worse than they've been 10 years ago.
@phnt @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato by enshittification I mean installing candy crush and copilot and fucking advertisements on your lock screen
Maybe you can pick out one or two examples of a promo screen appearing in linux but there is nothing that approaches the same galaxy as this
(Firefox doesn't count because Mozilla is a captured organization)
Maybe you can pick out one or two examples of a promo screen appearing in linux but there is nothing that approaches the same galaxy as this
(Firefox doesn't count because Mozilla is a captured organization)
@RustyCrab @phnt @arcana @mischievoustomato @nemesis @sam @waifu
>by enshittification I mean installing candy crush and copilot and fucking advertisements on your lock screen
Linux enshittification exists. The Windows user will put up with the start menu being like this if they can run games. Wanna know what MS was doing during the 9x era? Coding in workarounds if it detected certain games to make it work.
Linux? lol, lmao.
>by enshittification I mean installing candy crush and copilot and fucking advertisements on your lock screen
Linux enshittification exists. The Windows user will put up with the start menu being like this if they can run games. Wanna know what MS was doing during the 9x era? Coding in workarounds if it detected certain games to make it work.
Linux? lol, lmao.
@PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato
>glibc
>backwards compatiblity
Not even once. Whenever they break ABI for something major, they just go: "See, the standard actually doesn't mention the type of X, therefore this is fine."
>glibc
>backwards compatiblity
Not even once. Whenever they break ABI for something major, they just go: "See, the standard actually doesn't mention the type of X, therefore this is fine."
@phnt @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato What glibc does was 100% based and GNUpilled.
glibc does indeed remain forward ABI-compatible.
The elf sections change didn't break a single free program - all it did was trigger the digital handcuffs on proprietary malware.
It's up to the distro to set the elf sections that the programs expect and not glibc regardless.
glibc does indeed remain forward ABI-compatible.
The elf sections change didn't break a single free program - all it did was trigger the digital handcuffs on proprietary malware.
It's up to the distro to set the elf sections that the programs expect and not glibc regardless.
@Suiseiseki @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato
>be the literal pilar of the whole userspace
>break userspace on a regular basis
>be the literal pilar of the whole userspace
>break userspace on a regular basis
@phnt @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato There is no need for a pillar - software doesn't care what way you build it - you can build it upside down or sideways just fine, as it doesn't have to worry about gravity.
The GNUspace wasn't broken - rather GNUspace was enhanced, as elf binaries shrunk in size now that they no longer contain a useless elf section by default (instead the finest GNU section that supplies the needed information and more are there).
It is GNU's duty to break proprietary software while enhancing GNUspace and it should do it more often.
The GNUspace wasn't broken - rather GNUspace was enhanced, as elf binaries shrunk in size now that they no longer contain a useless elf section by default (instead the finest GNU section that supplies the needed information and more are there).
It is GNU's duty to break proprietary software while enhancing GNUspace and it should do it more often.
@Suiseiseki @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato "here's why software breakage is a good thing actually"
@PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu >.do this more often
> oops, linux market share back at 0.5%
> oops, linux market share back at 0.5%
@mischievoustomato @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @phnt @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu with friends like suiseiseki, linux doesnt need enemies
@nemesis @RustyCrab @arcana @phnt @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato Linux users are allergic to people using Linux
@PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @Suiseiseki @waifu @mischievoustomato most of them are hardcore gatekeepers that don't want to see "normies" anywhere near their precious hobby that no one cares about and see any normal using their special software as an idiot
@sam @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @waifu @mischievoustomato Every single hardcore GNU developer and hardcore GNU user is a hardcore GNU/Gatekeeper that ensures that proprietary cancer is prevented from getting past the GNU/Gate into the holy system and that it is also searched for and casted out when found.
@Suiseiseki @sam @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @waifu @mischievoustomato This is why Windows will rule forever
@branman65 @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato You say that, but I'm posting with 100% free software and are not using any part of windows.
windows will rule over suckers forever who can't say no even once.
windows will rule over suckers forever who can't say no even once.
@Suiseiseki @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @sam @waifu @mischievoustomato Elitism is so fucking gay
@branman65 @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu i run a super complex linux distro (due to autism) but the elitism is retarded when it comes to a... general purpose OS. I'm more than happy if people get on board on Ubuntu, LM or Fedora. Even arch or endeavourOS. We all benefit.
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@mischievoustomato Exactly. And, not just Linux---any alternative OS from the current computing software oligarchy. Gatekeeping only does a disservice to everyone. And, almost all popular Linux distributions running GNOME or KDE will be more than suitable for basic computing for the average user. Supporting normies to try it and explore it should be encouraged. @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @phnt @sam @RustyCrab @Suiseiseki @waifu @branman65
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>Gatekeeping only does a disservice to everyone.
Which is exactly why most of us are still forced to have a separate Windows computer, partition, or VM for work/school. Many software companies aren't going to waste time porting their software to an OS with less than 5% marketshare. Whatever normies use is going to affect you, whether you like it or not.
@phnt And if DWM wants to do that, that's fine. Most new users of Linux are going to stick with something coherent to them like GNOME or KDE. @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @Suiseiseki @sam @xianc78 @waifu @branman65 @mischievoustomato
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@adiz @mischievoustomato @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @phnt @sam @RustyCrab @Suiseiseki @waifu @branman65 It would probably be better if there were a few distros and Unix-like OSes that remain niche while certain Linux distros like Ubuntu or Mint went mainstream compared to having Windows be mainstream because there would be better compatibility between both the mainstream OSes and niche OSes.
@xianc78 @adiz @mischievoustomato @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @phnt @sam @RustyCrab @Suiseiseki @waifu @branman65 You'll get your Linux Year of the Desktop the day a WINE/Proton userland shim for a Windows desktop environment with under-the-hood Linux OS integration drops. Basically WSL in reverse, powered by Redhat and Poetterware in all likelihood. Until then it's just various difficulty levels of LEGO bricks with varying levels of quality and I like that just fine.
@slipgate @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu @adiz @branman65 @mischievoustomato
>a WINE/Proton userland shim for a Windows desktop environment with under-the-hood Linux OS integration
That's honestly not a bad idea, better than ReactOS's recreate WinNT from scratch approach.
@slipgate @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @phnt @sam @xianc78 @waifu @adiz @branman65 @mischievoustomato Please do basic research on a topic before commenting.
>Linux Year of the Desktop
It will never the "year of the Linux desktop", as Linux is only a kernel that doesn't operate by itself.
The year of the GNU/Linux desktop was 1995 or so, as finally you could use a recent computer in freedom again.
Alas that freedom was ripped away in 1996 with the first (of many) proprietary software programs added to Linux.
>the day a WINE/Proton userland shim for a Windows desktop environment with under-the-hood Linux OS integration drops.
You seem to be very confused.
WINE does no emulation - all it does it take Windows API calls and translates them into POSIX API calls.
Proton is merely WINE packaged with DXVK (a program that takes DX calls and translates them into Vulkan calls) and a few other programs.
If you want to run the windows desktop environment malware, you simply configure WINE to launch a "virtual desktop window" and run explorer.exe.
WINE is already designed to integrate with any DE, no matter if it's running on GNU/Linux or "Free"BSD or MacOS or any other proprietary OS, as it allows windows software to access the filesystem (despite how allowing malware access to the FS is a bad idea) and display the windows (translated to a Xorg window whatever).
Linux is not an OS and WINE by default on GNU/Linux talks to glibc and many other libraries, but not Linux.
>Basically WSL in reverse, powered by Redhat and Poetterware in all likelihood
"WSL1" was GNU *without* Linux - something slightly resembling reverse WINE, with GNU installed and Linux replaced by a program that (partially) implemented its SYSCALLs.
"WSL2" was GNU/Linux or BusyBox/Linux VMs with some integration into explorer.exe, to allow suckers to properly run GNU software and software that depends on GNU libraries (thinking they are running "Linux"), while still running windows and therefore allowing microsoft to continue to spy on them.
>Linux Year of the Desktop
It will never the "year of the Linux desktop", as Linux is only a kernel that doesn't operate by itself.
The year of the GNU/Linux desktop was 1995 or so, as finally you could use a recent computer in freedom again.
Alas that freedom was ripped away in 1996 with the first (of many) proprietary software programs added to Linux.
>the day a WINE/Proton userland shim for a Windows desktop environment with under-the-hood Linux OS integration drops.
You seem to be very confused.
WINE does no emulation - all it does it take Windows API calls and translates them into POSIX API calls.
Proton is merely WINE packaged with DXVK (a program that takes DX calls and translates them into Vulkan calls) and a few other programs.
If you want to run the windows desktop environment malware, you simply configure WINE to launch a "virtual desktop window" and run explorer.exe.
WINE is already designed to integrate with any DE, no matter if it's running on GNU/Linux or "Free"BSD or MacOS or any other proprietary OS, as it allows windows software to access the filesystem (despite how allowing malware access to the FS is a bad idea) and display the windows (translated to a Xorg window whatever).
Linux is not an OS and WINE by default on GNU/Linux talks to glibc and many other libraries, but not Linux.
>Basically WSL in reverse, powered by Redhat and Poetterware in all likelihood
"WSL1" was GNU *without* Linux - something slightly resembling reverse WINE, with GNU installed and Linux replaced by a program that (partially) implemented its SYSCALLs.
"WSL2" was GNU/Linux or BusyBox/Linux VMs with some integration into explorer.exe, to allow suckers to properly run GNU software and software that depends on GNU libraries (thinking they are running "Linux"), while still running windows and therefore allowing microsoft to continue to spy on them.
@Suiseiseki @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @xianc78 @waifu @adiz @branman65 @slipgate @mischievoustomato
>"WSL2" was GNU/Linux or BusyBox/Linux VMs with some integration into explorer.exe, to allow suckers to properly run GNU software and software that depends on GNU libraries (thinking they are running "Linux"), while still running windows and therefore allowing microsoft to continue to spy on them.
Boo! Cygwin
Boo! MSYS2
>"WSL2" was GNU/Linux or BusyBox/Linux VMs with some integration into explorer.exe, to allow suckers to properly run GNU software and software that depends on GNU libraries (thinking they are running "Linux"), while still running windows and therefore allowing microsoft to continue to spy on them.
Boo! Cygwin
Boo! MSYS2
@phnt @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @sam @xianc78 @waifu @adiz @branman65 @slipgate @mischievoustomato >Cygwin >MSYS2
Yes, those were previous cases when GNU was ported to windows without Linux.
Those programs were not written by microsoft and were written with the intention of giving the suckers a taste of freedom, so they could be ready to leave.
Yes, those were previous cases when GNU was ported to windows without Linux.
Those programs were not written by microsoft and were written with the intention of giving the suckers a taste of freedom, so they could be ready to leave.
@xianc78 @adiz @mischievoustomato @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @sam @RustyCrab @Suiseiseki @waifu @branman65 Then you have a problem where the big distros dictate what everyone else must do to remain "compatible". Effectively the whole ecosystem is now split into two. It's already a problem now, if you have some esoteric choices with your software like refusing to use dbus or systemd. Now make that much worse and that will be your reality. You would wake up the old beast of portability, autotools.
@phnt @PurpCat @RustyCrab @arcana @nemesis @Suiseiseki @sam @waifu @adiz @branman65 @mischievoustomato Still better than having one DOS-like and one Unix-like and trying to bridge compatibility with Wine.
@xianc78 @adiz @mischievoustomato @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @phnt @sam @RustyCrab @waifu @branman65 Proprietary malware not getting ported to GNU is only a good thing.
GNU/Linux has approached 100% "marketshare", as what do you think runs on every computer that actually matters?
I do not have a separate Windows computer, partition, or VM for work or school, so skill issue.
GNU/Linux has approached 100% "marketshare", as what do you think runs on every computer that actually matters?
I do not have a separate Windows computer, partition, or VM for work or school, so skill issue.
@xianc78 Exactly. The people intentionally gatekeeping things and driving off new users with the hopes of keeping everything niche and esoteric aren't really doing anybody any favors. There is nothing stopping them from keeping a private, niche community or developing/using some esoteric software. But, actively driving people away is only going to hurt wider collective development, adoption, and support. I'd much rather the Fediverse and Linux and other systems and networks gain wider utilization and popularity and choose to keep things gate-kept therein vs. gate-keep these things entirely. @mischievoustomato @PurpCat @nemesis @arcana @phnt @sam @RustyCrab @Suiseiseki @waifu @branman65