What I hate the most about the leftist side of the fedi, especially the EU types is the extreme anti-American sentiment, and I'm not talking about hatred for America as a country or the American government. I'm talking about hatred for American people in general.
They just assume that just because we live here that we support all American policy. They think that we automatically support the Israeli invasion of Gaza (despite the fact that even most US republicans are less supportive of Israel) or whatever human-rights violation the US government is participating. Or if you are not indigenous, then they shit on you just for being born on stolen land.
>Oh but you voted these people in that means you are all for it
It should be obvious that voting doesn't work here anymore (or maybe it never did). And even if it did, that doesn't mean that we support everything the government does.
You can hate on America all you want, but please don't hate on the people.
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@xianc78 many euros (leftists especially of course) can't even imagine the mindset. i think one really has to be born in the US to really fathom the spirit? i only can imagine it myself as well, it is different but hard to grasp. starts with free speech that never has arrived in many parts of europe. i think sweden has the biggest free speech tradition, after GB completely killed it off.
voting doesn't work over here as well and the people seem to like it that way. they long for being oppressed.
this turned out much more rambling than expected.
@bonifartius One major aspect of the modern American experience is that almost nobody trusts the government. Sure some may trust the government more than others and some may think that someone like Donald Trump can fix it, but most people have a gut feeling that the government is lying on almost everything. Even among people I talk to, it is that if there is going to be any meaningful change in this country, short of a revolution, it's going to come from state and local governments refusing to enforce unconstitutional and unjust laws and not from the federal government.
>voting doesn't work over here as well and the people seem to like it that way. they long for being oppressed.
I wonder if it is just people falling for propaganda revolving around American culture and politics. Europeans probably look at all the mass shootings in America or American hate groups like the WBC and come to the conclusion that freedoms like gun rights and free speech aren't worth it.
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Which is funny, because they have trucks of peace and such happening over there. Part of what keeps America safe and gives its politicians pause before they start getting too oppressive is the notion that enough people with guns will stick up for themselves when push comes to shove. Even in World War 2, Japan admitted to themselves that any attempt at a land invasion of the US would go horribly because they couldn't pass by a window without risking a gun barrel poking out of it.
Also, WBC are grifters and nothing more. They're all lawyers and their purpose is to rile people up and then sue them should one of them get assaulted. People in the Great Plains have caught onto this and wall off their protest spaces with makeshift walls of tarpaulin and PVC and surround them with motorcycles revving their engines to drown out their shouting. But I suppose when a significant part of your worldview stems from longing for the embrace of a boot sole to your throat, you'd rather scream for daddy government to ban this sick filth and require your worldview be administered on everyone else, one riot baton at a time.
@mrsaturday @xianc78 @bonifartius >Part of what keeps America safe and gives its politicians pause before they start getting too oppressive is the notion that enough people with guns will stick up for themselves when push comes to shove.
I've never seen a single American politician take pause before deciding to oppress their own citizens. I don't think it's working.
Can we stop pretending the 2nd amendment has utility as a safety mechanism and just admit we like guns BC they're cool and Americans are allowed to be cool?
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>WBC are grifters and nothing more.
I think they are some CIA psyop made to get people to hate the idea of religion and freedom of speech. Just look at all the atheism+ people who use them as an example to shit on Christianity as a whole. Also, before the alt-right/dissident-right phenomenon, they were often used as the prime example of "free speech going too far".
@xianc78
the general mood here is that only the right people need to be in power and everything will be fine. with the flipside that if the OTHER people are in power everything will be DOOMED. failing to notice that they all report to the same unelected organizations in the end.
> Europeans probably look at all the mass shootings in America or American hate groups like the WBC and come to the conclusion that freedoms like gun rights and free speech aren't worth it.
the wild part is that these things aren't even considered to be valid ideas by about 99% of the people.
indeed, if you talk about these things, people look at you like if you were suggesting to shoot granny or doing the manson girls swastika on the forehead thing. and that with having gone through multiple collectivist regimes. really strong programming over here.
