I live in a country with nudist beaches, but young women and teenage girls also go topless on the normal beaches.
If, say, a boy ended up staring at a girl with her tits out, would he be the sexual assaulter (for looking), or would the girl with her tits out be the sexual assaulter (for exposure)?
This has happened every single time I've gone to the beach. In fact, when a girl took off her top nearby me and I saw and looked (momentarily) she smiled at me. She kept smiling at me whenever I walked by and I tried not to look at her massive boobanies.
Again, this was not on the designated "nudist area".
Of course, such a thing is unconscionable in most of America ("land of the free").
European "sex/morality laws" may have their own issues (largely due to them increasingly trying/being forced to imitate American standards), but they're still miles ahead of heavy-handed American puritan prudishness.
I genuinely think most Americans' heads would explode if they walked into a nightclub here and saw what goes on.
@Aldo2 It's too bad they banned cp even magazines
@bulky_nerd yeah, the post was made in 2008, before the pedo-hysteria reached even higher levels of fever-pitch.
I'm not sure which country he was in, or whether he travelled around in general, but places like NL/Germany were very liberal when it came to certain magazines, until relatively recently.
There was a joke where I lived about girls in the French school being very promiscuous and losing their virginity earlier than any others.
My former friend's ex-girlfriend was one of those girls.
There were kids in one of the schools I went to who went to NL to lose their virginity using a fake ID!
There are some pretty funny comments on the article, talking about kids being naked at the beach (I can confirm this is totally normal where I live) or magazines at grandpas house's bathroom etc... etc...
Americans can't handle sex, really of any kind!
The irony!
They are (arguably) the most sexed up society, but it's all kept repressed, until it explodes like a pressure-cooker.
@Aldo2 Yeah america is becoming anti sex or has
@Aldo2 What's stuff they banned in europe that's sex related ?
@bulky_nerd Conservatards like to talk about "1984" (a book I read at least once every year), yet a key part in 1984 is the abolishing of sex for pleasure. Literally, "we shall abolish the orgasm".
I mean, I'm not going to list everything, because that'll be too exhaustive and I need to go to sleep, but in general I think like you mention there were magazines and that sort of stuff in the 80's/90's.
The Dutch were in the American crosshairs for doing that sort of stuff:
Another interesting article, although obv it's from a pro-pedo hysteria perspective and seeks to villify every single pedophile out there and exaggerate to crazy levels.
That being said, it covers some interesting aspects of European culture and history (Dutch magazines, German/Danish laws, French philosophers, PIE in Britain etc...).
OK but for real, I'm going to bed now haha
@Aldo2 Sorry about that I hope I'm not asking too much questions
@bulky_nerd nah it's cool, I like talking haha
@Aldo2 So how is it like now in the netherlands or in europe in general is there laws ?
Getting tougher and tougher.
Recently there's been a massive push to ban "virtual child pornography" which includes loli and A.I. stuff.
Some countries still allow it, but the number is shrinking, and the stipulations are becoming more stringent.
U.K. has really been hitting hard on any and all porn as well as restrictions on internet access for minors. They're probably the worst in that regard.
@Aldo2 Damm what is happening we use to be a proper country were it wasn't so taboo
Tbh, I think the dam will break soon.
People are going to realize that the whole "protecting the children" thing is a scam.
It's increasingly obvious, even to normies.
@Aldo2 Is is a scam 
@Aldo2 Well at least the aoc is lower in europe and in some other countries
@Aldo2 But I want to ask should the aoc laws be abolished or reform like lower it ?
@bulky_nerd I think the first step is an open and frank discussion about children and sexuality.
Considerations about reforming/abolishing the "AOC" would naturally follow.
Obviously everyone has a limit on when they think an individual can actually "consent" or not. Some go younger (or are "ageless"/abolitionists), some are higher.
Ideally, I'd say the benchmark would be when they reach "teen" age (i.e. 13-ish). But, as I've pointed out, there are children who pursue romance with older partners at younger ages than that.
Generally, I would argue for reform. Ideally, I'd argue that we need to have a new understanding entirely, because contemporary views of "consent" are narrow-minded (look at "statuatory rape" laws, for example).
@Aldo2 Do you agree she should be locked up for this ?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/2024/11/25/former-hudson-teacher-plea-alleged-relationship-with-5th-grader/
"Investigators were shown screenshots of a text conversation between Bergmann and the boy, with her talking about how much she enjoyed the child touching her and the pair “making out.”"
"A search of Bergmann’s bag also uncovered handwritten notes between the teacher and her student. Nearly 100 letters, love notes and artwork exchanged between the two were later recovered from Bergmann’s classroom."
The charges as well are so overblown. Police make it seem like she forced herself on him.
Not locked up.
A reprimand of some sort, yeah, probably. Paid administrative leave for a period. But certainly not locked up.
@bulky_nerd also, I don't know if you've noticed, but I feel like the rates of female teachers sleeping with or being in relationships with their students is increasing exponentially like every month.
In March I must have counted like at least half a dozen cases, probably more.
@Aldo2 Have you visited the US and would you live there ?
I've mostly visited. I haven't lived there for any long period of time.
Honestly? While I wanted to in the past, I don't really want to live there long-term now.
There is crazy stuff in the U.S. that people pride themselves on, while in the rest of the world people look at such things in horror/disbelief.
@Aldo2 Would you say the US worse then the netherlands ?
Europe in general is better than the U.S. in general.
Of course, both have their positives and negatives.
But on the whole, and in my opinion, Europe is a much more stable place.
@Aldo2 If I know knew how to live on my own I would move to europe
@Aldo2 Have you visited other countries besides europe and the US ?
@bulky_nerd most of my late childhood and teenage years were spent in the Middle East.
@Aldo2 How was it ?
@bulky_nerd I miss it.
Obviously I was a child, so I have idealistic views (there is basically open racism against non-Arabs - aside from Europeans - there is essentially slavery, society is policed by religious morality police etc...).
But on the whole, the place I lived in was stable and I still consider the friends I made there my closest friends ("bloodbrothers", in fact).
"...I have a hunch that children raised in America, where sex is “dirty,” are more likely to have problems with sex and their bodies than those in Europe. I suspect there is more violence associated with sex here than there. I have a hunch that the French, who have as many words for a kiss as Eskimos have for snow, enjoy making love more than we Americans do. I like a continent where sexual misconduct won’t doom a politician with anyone other than his family and friends, and where the human body is considered a divine work of art worth admiring openly."
https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/european-flesh-and-the-american-prude/