@Bbccoom19 well man all i can say if you view pedophilia as a fetish then maybe it's not for you

@ellbedo
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Lmao, I don't even know how to respond to this. I probably don't fit into the whole social club of the whole pedivese map community but at the same time I do find teens and some tweens hot so... idk lol.

@Bbccoom19 well man if ur not into underage youths for who they are and only for their bodies then it doesn't work like that

You might as well prefer petite loli looking adult people

@Bbccoom19 again man it's your choice on how you wish to express yourself in life, live how you want to and not what others say

@ellbedo I'm into people for what they are. There is nothing special about underage youths that make them any different from normal people other than their maturity levels.

I am not necessarily saying I wouldn't go out with a 11-15 year old or something but there aren't really many ways to go about doing that normally, and in general I think culture and society would have to radically shift for it to actually make sense in my head. As it stands it is unlikely I'd ever try getting a 11-15 year old girlfriend (preferably trans).

And at the same time I'm probably more attracted to people who have some maturity at the very least. At the same time I don't think all child adult relationships are evil, I've seen some decent news stories of these Chinese age gap couples it doesn't always have to be creepy. I think in some cases it can really be love. But many times it is just rape or horny stuff.

@Bbccoom19 tbh i can understand that the current culture simply has ruined relationships overall as people simply seek hookups and don't have time for relationships and other things which again has to do with how Capitalism bleeds whatever little time we have as people only care about the body of others as a commodity for them to use than say see them as human which we should do with underage youths

And with the case of maturity i don't think it matters at all, I've seen young preteens being far more mature than many older adults as it's simply a matter of environment and the development the person goes through

Overall man i can understand why the current environment that we live in often restricts young people at all times, hell even the internet which allowed such youths to learn and mature about different things is being actively censored against them

In the end it's upto you to engage in relationships as for me personally it simply will hinder my activism cause of the legal trouble that I'll fall into, plus not to mention that such youths will also fall into trouble too as the more lower profile you have the better likelihood that your relationship would be smooth as you would have no breadcrumbs to leave behind for the antis

It doesn't mean that you cannot do activism but certainly it is more harder to maintain the relationship then which again we will provide solidarity and do what we can but again man u should understand the risks and plan accordingly not simply have positive hopes about what you get into

@ellbedo I don't think my analysis was that positive but ok

@clarissa It is mainly just sexual imo. Pedophilia is already somewhat accepted in society. Sure you can't go over and state that you are one, but there is a lot of adjacent content out there, ie lolicon and vtubers to an extent out there and it is sorta normalised not totally but online pretty much yea.

And the president of the USA is a pedophile. Literally if the president of the mightiest nation on earth is a pedophile and no one gives enough of a fuck to press him then it is already sorta accepted.

I guess you can say that you want it to be normalised to a point where you can openly call yourself a pedophile without getting judged for it. Which is fair though tbh as it stands I think it is fine.

Also what does "mapmisia" mean?

@clarissa Also thanks for the convo. I don't really talk with other maps that often. I'm in some groups but it is mainly just people being horny over loli hentai.

@clarissa also imo if you want to spread pro c or pro pedophillia content you should try to make comics or games. There are many artists out there that try to do stuff like that.

Like the dating to survive comic. Making content people like to consume is a lot more effective at spreading your ideology then just hoping for political change and arguing on a small forum. It is a balancing act you don't want to go too far like the undercbatch Dev.

@clarissa there is even a tag on comik.io for pedophile centric comics.

https://comick.dev/search?tags=pedophile

@Bbccoom19 I'm a revolutionary communist organizer. Don't project your lack of activity onto me. I've been actively fighting for political change irl for 8ish years at this point

@clarissa I guess
I do want to make a game with some subtle map themes but it is all just in my head right now.

@Bbccoom19 I don't care whether I get judged for it. I care about people feeling comfortable giving us death threats about it, discriminating against us legally, completely suppressing our sexuality wholesale (not everyone lives in amerikkka where loli is legal), getting denied jobs for it, and being sentenced to a life of extreme poverty because of it.

Intergenerational sex being illegal, while a concern, is far from the only concern the community has. Actual violence against is why you should care. I care about my people

@Bbccoom19 mapmisia is the social hatred of maps

@clarissa I was about to disagree but I ended up tweaking over Piper Rockelle stuff lmao. Can't believe she made 1 million dollars in a day.

@Bbccoom19 idk what your disagreement would be. People objectively hate paedophiles and we are structurally oppressed, even by the law. We aren't even protected under sexual discrimination laws

@clarissa By disagree basically say your wrong when saying I have mapmisia. I do at least enough to be weirded out of any of them started protesting irl, or some ready to simp over day 1 freshly 18 year olds.

With your take on structural oppression I would still say somewhat. But there is a silver lining, a lot of content online is basically made for pedophiles or pedophiles in the closet (lolicons and the likes) in media like with vtubers anime, manga/manwha and games. Some of the creators being pedophiles or friends with some themselves, like oda creator of one piece.

And laws themselves are quite lax in most countries or aren't enforced so most maps aren't really going to get orchestrated in real life unless they touch a kid.

@clarissa And if people truly hated pedophiles there wouldn't even be a market for that stuff online. But there is. Games like blue archive, black sould, vtubers like gura gura, and many lolicon anime make millions of dollars, not to mention hentai. In a society that truly hated that sort of expression those sorts of content wouldn't even exist.

@Bbccoom19 that's not really how social hatred works. We all know that mapness is far more common than polite society pretends it is. But all social hatred and oppression conceals attachment. It's why racist white people are so into porn of Black men fucking white women.

There's a market for cp because young people's autonomy is illegalized, and simply banning something doesn't actually do anything except encourage black markets. By reinforcing the illegality of young people's sexuality (among many other things), the state keeps young people in a subordinate position to adults. Maps are oppressed, objectively according to all available data (we're poorer, way more suicidal, and violence against us is so normalized that regular people feel comfortable saying that they would kill us), for this same reason, which is that genuine *love* for young people disturbs the dynamic of the young person as property

@clarissa @Bbccoom19 fr tho those bastards who sell young girls to such content where they are exploited for sex for the needs of sick racist fetishes needs to be shut down fr

Honestly never got why people can be this cruel to denounce and ruin family relations for sick fantasies

@Bbccoom19 @clarissa that's cause such markets are fictional and not real, and made from a foreign country which the western puritanism doesn't have control over

So your left with conflicting ideas but the law itself allows persecution

It's not much different than what prostitution was like in the past with illegality being present while legal barriers are sort of allowed for fictional entities

@Bbccoom19 why do you resent being attracted to young people and not wanting to be attacked for it?

You keep trying to hedge your argument by saying that you can jack off to loli, so it's okay, but that's not true at all lol. These same arguments were used to justify the oppression of gay people. You say it's "somewhat" present, but it's universally present. Try telling a random date that you're a map and see what happens. *You* might think it's justified that we're poor, antagonized by everyone, threatened daily by death fantasies, that we're more suicidal than almost any other group, that we can be discriminated against on the job, in housing, in *medical care*, by being placed onto registries so vigilantes can attack us, but I am thoroughly *not* okay with that.

And some of us are already taking public action. Beyond the Plus is an example. So were NAMBLA, PIE, the Fallen Angels, and so on

@Bbccoom19 @clarissa well man u don't see any videos about pedos getting killed or shot down by cops ? I wonder if ur in the same reality or not

Just cause the rich get away with it doesn't mean that we do

@Bbccoom19 I also have no idea who Piper Rockelle is

@clarissa Some girl who thirst trapped/sold nudes when she was underage. She recently made a onlyfans after turning 18 and made over 1.2 million dollars in a day. My immediate reaction was disgust at the buyers.

You are right I do have mapmisia despite being a map myself.

https://x.com/PiperRockelle/status/2006605208202457194?s=20
https://youtu.be/suDiPzBhN2Q?si=gSbvHIjAE9E__FdG

@Bbccoom19 yeah, lots of men see young women as rape bait. That's not the same thing as mapness. That's just patriarchy. Most people who sexually abuse young people are not attracted to them. They just see it as easy. Certainly there are some of her fans who are maps, but that is a separate question

And yes, internalized mapmisia means you are a map who hates yourself for being a map when you shouldn't. And it's usually because you hold a lot of incorrect, socially ingrained narratives about maps. We're literally just as diverse as any other group

@clarissa @Bbccoom19 buddy it is the same as MAPness, MAPs don't like to admit it but some of us do only care about underage youths for their bodies and this mind body separation has only been cause of commodification of humans for the needs of profits and in this case sexual needs

Capitalism directly encourages sexual commodification as it is a norm which people accept as ofc a "young woman can decide to make their "own choices" as soon as they are 18" kind of nonsense

@ellbedo @Bbccoom19 no it factually is not. Patriarchy and mapness are not the same thing. That is reactionary nonsense that you can back right the fuck off with

@clarissa @Bbccoom19 mapmasia comes from places of traumatic experiences where years of suppression leads to people who have hate towards exploitation of young people who continue to follow the trends of capitalism and in this case young people end up as the victims of sexual exploitation as such people undergo the same thing as adults regularly do and have accepted their house slave needs

@ellbedo @Bbccoom19 again, human trafficking and sex work are two different things. You can keep trying to dodge this, but we KNOW from all available data that criminalization of sex work does not work, period, not client-side or worker-side. Your ideology is responsible for the abuse of sex workers.

And if you think that maps and rapists are the same, then there is no reason for maps to get free from oppression and you should stop claiming to be for either map or youth liberation

@Bbccoom19 @clarissa that mapmasia comes from societal exploitation of such young people as their roles in society are defined by people who decide when they need to be exploited and when they shouldn't

Sex work has always been coercive grooming and this is no different as it was the same back then and times haven't changed now

It happened when people were waiting for bella thorne to do onlyfans and with lil tay who was underage and did onlyfans and now with this case

And for years all we have seen is more people continue to be used and discarded when they are old for the needs of others and all we can feel is indifference as no one cares about this other than liberals who obviously have shown they will continue this trend and brainwashing young people for years

@ellbedo @Bbccoom19 human trafficking and sex work are not the same thing either. That's more radfem nonsense that actually kills sex workers, including young people. Read Revolting Prostitutes

@Bbccoom19 @clarissa honestly I think it's sad that she is only known for her body and nothing else, it's the fate for all women who believe that selling themselves when they are ripe to men is a good thing in this consumerist hell

@ellbedo @Bbccoom19 just so we're clear, sex work is still work and sex workers deserve workers' rights and unions. It's not women's fault that men are willing to pay them money for sexual services. Radfem arguments about sex work are moralistic and not scientific and have factually caused harm and deaths to sex workers