does anyone actually know where the "100,000,000 people have died because of communism" thing came from

because it feels like one of those things someone would pull out of their ass because they want to make their enemy seem bad.
@sylveon it's what happens when you consider unintentionally bad policies malicious
@mewmew i imagine that even if we only considered intentionally harmful policies, capitalism would have killed far more, if only because it's the dominant economic system in the world. i'm too lazy to compile numbers though. of course, 100 million is so convenient that it was probably just made up anyways.
@sylveon yeah, if you count things the same way capitalism has killed far more
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@mewmew @sylveon technically it's only counting things done by the government and government intervention isn't real capitalism so technically capitalist governments can't kill anyone because the government isn't capitalism :bigbrain:

@Galena @mewmew @sylveon This thread is a indictment of public education. For shame.

Regarding deaths, its all pretty well documented. There is some controversy, but your free decide on your own.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kil

Second, Capitalism, or more specifically, Free Markets are nothing more than private property and voluntary trade/interaction. We've got plenty of documentation on the mass killings of Communist countries to get those staggeringly high death tolls, but regarding claims like "Capitalism has killed more" I've never seen a source. Go find one and I'll read it.

We've got plenty of documentation to make it clear that Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than anything else in history, though.

Thirdly, nothing about capitalism or free markets prevents a government from being corrupt. Anytime you have a government of any kind, you get corruption. The only grace in this area where Capitalist economies have a boost is that they have less centralized control. That doesn't prevent them from rolling 3rd world governments in south america. Only way to get rid of that is to vastly limit state power.

@shebang @Galena @sylveon I guess my question is, would you consider people who died from something like the triangle shirtwaist factory fire "deaths under capitalism"?

@mewmew @sylveon @Galena

I think if you want to pin a blame on something it needs to have happened as a direct result of that thing. A factory burns down in China kills a bunch of people inside. Is that because Communism? Or just an accidental tragedy? Seems like fire happens whether you are capitalist or not. So I wouldn't count industrial accidents to normally be so.

Now, a failed policy of centralized economics that results in mass starvation? That's because communism. Someone starves because they couldn't afford food? Well then that would be capitalism -- but because one happens doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in the other. Someone can't afford food in a capitalist economy, doesn't mean they'd get food in a communist one necessary if the problem was a genuine supply-side shortage.

Take china for example, it did not have food supply issues prior to the great leap ahead -- those deaths happened BECAUSE of it, plain and simple.

@shebang @sylveon @Galena That's fair - maybe some of the deaths that are considered to occur "under communism" would've happened either way.

@mewmew @sylveon @shebang @Galena

Honestly, when we're talking about poor foreigners, do their deaths even matter?

@mewmew @sylveon @Galena That's why I wouldn't want to say "under communism" but "because of,"

The mass killings of Stalin and Pol Pot, the purges from the Cuban revolution, the starvation in China, etc, were all avoidable.

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