@shebang freedom good, getting rid of social benefits is not

@jeder Every leftist redefines “freedom” to include servitude.

@jeder I’m far from joking, and you know that damn well that all you have done is say that you have the “freedom to pay taxes for go to jail” the “freedom to obey the government or else”. Its not freedom. You just go on about which King you’ll elect, but even if you vote for your master, you are still their serf — their tax stock.

You are just comfortable being property of the state.

@shebang lmao yeah, poor people are the worst, let's fuck them all! i'd rather pay taxes to make other people have a good quality of life, rather than hoard all that people and later evade taxes by sending all that shit to malta
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@jeder @shebang Then go help the poor voluntarily. Why do you need big daddy Government to do it for you with your own money?

@Galena @jeder @shebang the purpose of government is to help the citizens, so it's no surprise people look to it when they want to help citizens

@fluffy @Galena @jeder The purpose of government has never been to “help the citizens”, not ever, not once. The most favourable possible way to look at government is that its role is to attempt to maintain order in a naturally chaotic species.

People look to the government for help because that’s what they’ve been trained to do. Once and a while it might actually help them, but most of the time it just takes their money and puts it into the pockets of themselves and their elite friends.

@shebang @Galena @jeder nah its been the point of them for all of recorded history. You can read letters from greece and rome about how people organized into governments and why.

The point has always been the same: to protect from foreign aggressors, to seize assets which make your own people wealthy, to guarantee some sort of justice for the citizenry, to provide services such as building temples.

If we privatized it, we'd end up with the samething except now you don't get to vote.

@fluffy @Galena @jeder Really? The King did all that out of the kindness of his heart? Its all to protect his power.

Foreign aggressors — the elites enemies

Seize assets — the elites assets

Yup, the soldiers who came back from the world wars sure were rich off of all the assets they seized. Lot of arms companies did pretty good though.

How anyone can claim that justice is guaranteed is absurd on its face. Laws and courts serve the government, they enforce its rules where those rules be fair and just or not.

Even your vote is basically a lie, the same elites continue to maintain their power whoever is the figurehead.

“If we privatized it, we’d end up with the samething except now you don’t get to vote.”

Doesn’t make sense because voting is a functioning of a state. You don’t need to vote if there isn’t a state — all you are talking about is coercion anyway here. The masses determining policy for the minority.

@fluffy @shebang @jeder And yet it uses that money to fund corrupt police who oppress and murder the citizens. Really makes you think.

@Galena @shebang @jeder yeah western bureaucracy is kind of a fuck. idk how we can fix it, but this sort of thing is not acceptable
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