@prouddegenerate @amerika They're more closely related to middle easterners I think, and they refuse to class themselves as white, I view them as pretty much white and think it's silly that they don't too because that's what everyone else sees when they look at them, but if they say they're not white I'm not going to challenge them but I still disagree.

@prouddegenerate @amerika Back in the day, Italians were as hated as middle easterners these days, or blacks. They were just fucking hated. So they weren't "white" because the other "whites" didn't want em, same with the Irish, not "white" and were classed as a type of negro for some time.

@Jazzy_Butts @prouddegenerate

We recognize the Italians and Irish as mixed, therefore not suitable for White populations.

Send 'em back!

@amerika @Jazzy_Butts @prouddegenerate

ive been thinking about flann o’brien recently and still really need to read ‘an beal bocht’

An Béal Bocht is set in Corca Dhorcha, (Corkadoragha, Corkadorkey) (a parody of Irish: Corca Dhuibhne, the name for the Dingle Peninsula), a remote region of Western Ireland where it never stops raining, everyone lives in desperate poverty (and always will), while also talking in “the learned smooth Gaelic”. It is a memoir of one Bónapárt Ó Cúnasa (Bonaparte O’Coonassa), a resident of this region, beginning at his very birth. At one point the area is visited by hordes of Gaeilgeoirí (Irish language lovers) from Dublin, who explain that not only should one always speak Irish, but also every sentence one utters in Irish should be about the language question. However, they eventually abandon the area because the poverty is too impoverished, the cultural authenticity is too culturally authentic, and because the dialect of the Irish-language spoken in Corca Dhorcha is far too Irish.

@rats @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

Reminds me of Conrad and his parody of colonization, Costaguana.

@amerika @Jazzy_Butts @prouddegenerate "The Irish are not white!"

*Mysha's on suicide watch*

@Jazzy_Butts @prouddegenerate @amerika depends on which region of Italy, Northern Italians have a great deal of Germanic descent and have larger craniums + less overlap with North Africans than Southern Italians. if you look at a map of Italy (by physical, mental or social traits) practically all of them are halved beneath Umbria

@doorroo @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

Lots of foreign admixture across the board in Italy, but I agree Southern Italy has more of the North African as one would expect.

@amerika @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts yeah - around the time the 20c studies were conducted it was less broadly mixed, but with how things are today + 2 large wars, it did get washed around. similar but not the same happened in the US and Germany with the prevalence of blondes and blues dropping significantly

@doorroo @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

A steady influx of Southern and Eastern European influences in both cases I would bet.

@amerika @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts indeed. Germany went through countless border changes that allowed for neighbouring populations to mesh in and most of their military was Saxonish, basically bleeding out their teutonic element since 1618. in 1921 the US ammended laws to try restricting the number of Slavic and Mediterranean immigrants allowed in on the grounds of them being too culturally & phenotypically distinct

@doorroo @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

The 1920s immigration backlash was slamming the barn door after the horse was gone as usual.

The 1790-1795 laws made more sense.

@prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

https://www.amerika.org/politics/how-our-wasp-ancestors-viewed-half-breed-hwites/

Might be a good basic #HBD intro, but basically Irish are mixed with Semites and Italians are mixed with Asians and North Africans.

@amerika @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

> with little consistent change in Entertainingness

this is really funny to me for some reason. the other qualities i can more or less intuit the social consequences of, but 'entertainingness' is pretty opaque.

what's the most entertaining ethnic group? stereotypes would make me guess that jews were pretty high and, idk, germans pretty low

@rats @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

By far, Finns are the most entertaining.

@amerika @prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

remembering that video where that one finn manages to, in what appears to be a genuine accident, say a slur while describing how he makes coffee

@prouddegenerate @Jazzy_Butts

Notice how they subvert us

https://nypost.com/2022/10/12/dem-tim-ryan-called-to-scrap-unfair-bail-system-in-us-during-prez-run/

The Irish must go back. BOATS!

@amerika @Jazzy_Butts sicilians are the True black israelites