@opal @prouddegenerate @caskd @kallisti @rats @tarperfume @Flanker surely this time we'll be able to bring up arguments so compelling it will put the debate to rest permanently
@tarperfume @prouddegenerate @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @rats @Flanker as an open anarchist, i bring up law, and somehow the conclusion was that i care about law. nah i care about staying out of prison
@tarperfume @prouddegenerate @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @rats @Flanker
>without further explanation
because i had none to give, it was a standalone statement
>without further explanation
because i had none to give, it was a standalone statement
@tarperfume @prouddegenerate @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @rats @Flanker the thread started with someone thinking shotacon is illegal so i think it's more than fair to clarify that imagery resembling a specific real-world minor is illegal regardless of whether it's drawn or photographed
@prouddegenerate @opal @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
> is that illegal
my discovery is that in america /people have occasionally been sentenced for this/, but it seems to vary per state, and also on some weird contextual level that seems to depend on the squeamishness of the particular officials
> is that illegal
my discovery is that in america /people have occasionally been sentenced for this/, but it seems to vary per state, and also on some weird contextual level that seems to depend on the squeamishness of the particular officials
@rats @opal @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker I think the consensus is that if the loli/shota is indistinguishable from a kid you could get charged with obscene content featuring a minor, which is why lolibooru and other places banned photorealistic 3dcg
but if you live in some place like texas and get busted with lolis you could possibly get in trouble there too
but if you live in some place like texas and get busted with lolis you could possibly get in trouble there too
@rats @Flanker @caskd @grumpy @kallisti @opal @tarperfume there was a case in like 2008 where some guy was importing loli porn from Japan and he got caught, and the prosecution bullied him into admitting it was cp or indecent content featuring minors or whatever, so he got jail time and confiscations, so there's that
The fact that it's so vague and subjective and dependent on where you live really doesn't help the grey area of kodocon
The fact that it's so vague and subjective and dependent on where you live really doesn't help the grey area of kodocon
@prouddegenerate @opal @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
additionally there's the case of mike diana whose art style is weird/gross/alarming and is a massive fag so even though (to me) his art is deeply unerotic, people are a lot more willing to classify it as 'obscenity'
additionally there's the case of mike diana whose art style is weird/gross/alarming and is a massive fag so even though (to me) his art is deeply unerotic, people are a lot more willing to classify it as 'obscenity'
@prouddegenerate @opal @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @rats @tarperfume @Flanker obscenity is left vague so it can be determined relative to the community it is interfering with, when we had established obscenity laws they just used basic grounds like sexualised nudity or sexualised implications, immoral conduct (interracial, glorified/explicit violence), etc.
@prouddegenerate @opal @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
> clenching
[kegels intensify]
> clenching
[kegels intensify]
@prouddegenerate @Flanker @caskd @doorroo @grumpy @kallisti @opal @tarperfume
but yeah:
> Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
so it's about if the community in general finds your porn freaky
but yeah:
> Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
so it's about if the community in general finds your porn freaky
@prouddegenerate @opal @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
yeah, it's weird - freedom of speech/expression feels v invested in protecting minority positions except for specifically those dealing w/ sexuality. i think it's prob a kind of a freudian way of thinking about the libidinal drives of ppl being especially prone to compelling ppl into antisocial behavior if they were corrupted maybe
yeah, it's weird - freedom of speech/expression feels v invested in protecting minority positions except for specifically those dealing w/ sexuality. i think it's prob a kind of a freudian way of thinking about the libidinal drives of ppl being especially prone to compelling ppl into antisocial behavior if they were corrupted maybe
@rats @opal @prouddegenerate @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
> freedom of speech/expression feels v invested in protecting minority positions
tfw several minorities are not harassed into the shadows unable to publicly speak their opinions
tfw minority positions are apparently defended by free speech larpers
did I sleepwalk into upotia?
> freedom of speech/expression feels v invested in protecting minority positions
tfw several minorities are not harassed into the shadows unable to publicly speak their opinions
tfw minority positions are apparently defended by free speech larpers
did I sleepwalk into upotia?
@cafkafk @opal @prouddegenerate @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
i meant as far as like legal precedent is concerned but ill admit that i can never tell how good my understanding cuz maybe theres a bunch of cases i havent heard about
i meant as far as like legal precedent is concerned but ill admit that i can never tell how good my understanding cuz maybe theres a bunch of cases i havent heard about
@rats @opal @prouddegenerate @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker
> notably for prohibiting classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to grade 3 in Florida's public school districts, or instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in a manner that is not "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students" in any grade, and for prohibiting schools from restricting parental access to their student's education and health records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Parental_Rights_in_Education_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/donald-trump-gag-us-government-scientists-environment-stop-speaking-public-tweeting-twitter-climate-change-a7544971.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-donald-trump-media-ban-deeply-disturbing-cnn-new-york-times-national-press-club-a7599006.html
> Banning books is a part of American history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_States
> notably for prohibiting classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to grade 3 in Florida's public school districts, or instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in a manner that is not "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students" in any grade, and for prohibiting schools from restricting parental access to their student's education and health records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Parental_Rights_in_Education_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/donald-trump-gag-us-government-scientists-environment-stop-speaking-public-tweeting-twitter-climate-change-a7544971.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-donald-trump-media-ban-deeply-disturbing-cnn-new-york-times-national-press-club-a7599006.html
> Banning books is a part of American history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_States
@cafkafk @opal @prouddegenerate @doorroo @grumpy @caskd @kallisti @tarperfume @Flanker man im operating on such a tier of autism that im realizing i forget about things like 'swearing' lmfao
Need.... Coffee !!!!
Need.... Coffee !!!!
@cafkafk @Flanker @caskd @doorroo @grumpy @kallisti @opal @prouddegenerate @tarperfume
but
> notably for prohibiting classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to grade 3 in Florida's public school districts
yeah, florida seems to really hate gay people expressing themselves, that's p clearly the main reason mike diana got the book thrown at him so insanely fuckin hard by florida guys
but
> notably for prohibiting classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to grade 3 in Florida's public school districts
yeah, florida seems to really hate gay people expressing themselves, that's p clearly the main reason mike diana got the book thrown at him so insanely fuckin hard by florida guys
