@mario If I participated I would be ashamed (this doesn't mean I wouldn't participate just that I would be very ashamed if I did)
it'll be all lesbians and then lecter
@bitterblossom @mario I wish Lecter would like me but he's such a pretentious faggot who is super ceral all the fucking time, can't even say nigger or retard or "damn kids are stupid" around that guy.
i don't know tham
@mario @bitterblossom He runs a little cult of personality regarding mapness, and they gatekeep the fuck out of their gay little clubhouse. They say I'm fake and shit or a troll or something just because I'm a free speech absolutist and I don't respect their touchy feely sensibilities because I'm not so retarded that I can be tricked by lovebombing or naming and shaming.
i've got my disagreements with him, but i dont have any hate for him. his garden isn't as rough as my preferred neighborhood.
>NNIA
fuck them lmao
legit pedophiles should seek help not create online communities around being pedophiles
@mario @bitterblossom Agree to disagree if you're saying maps are sick and need correction, no sicker than any other paraphiles at least, and perhaps even less, as studies show it is normal (NOT abnormal) to find girls as young as 9 sexually arousing. What is NOT normal and is NOT common is finding girls much younger than that to be arousing, that is unusual, behaviorally speaking. Society has to accept what is normal, before it can offer help to those who are abnormal and want the help, grouping all maps into the "banish" category will leave you with an endless war against mostly innocent people, since (statistically) every normal human man is a "map".
they can't enter any legal contract
@mario @bitterblossom The point here I think is that it's not ethical to bar them from legal contracts, just like it was not ethical to bar certain races from entering into contracts or certain genders. If a person has a brain condition that makes them incapable of decision making that is not a factor of their age and so age should not be taken into account. If a person has their wits, they have their wits, I've seen kids you'd swear had a little old man inside their head driving them around, and I've seen adults who you'd swear were being operated by a clinically retarded toddler. Age is not the factor here.
@mario @bitterblossom Anybody can be manipulated, it is not a uniquely youthful quality, it is the quality inherent in any naive person, regardless of age. I say to you, the solution is simple, do not take advantage of or manipulate naive people, regardless of their age.
That's just my experience, but I was naive af as a child and during my internship at a kindergarden I also got confirmation that you can't trust children to make informed decisions without approval of responsible adult caretakers with life experience.
@mario @bitterblossom Replace the word children with blacks, and kindergarden job with prison guard job, and reread what you just wrote
@mario @bitterblossom Yea you're not really this stupid, you can't be, I refuse to believe you're not taking the piss
@mario @bitterblossom I already have explained where you went wrong, and you pretended not to understand, I am confident you are playing dumb because you are smart enough to know your argument leaks like a seiv but you have moral ideals ingrained which will not allow you to entertain contrary arguments.
Children can leave the kindergarden with their parents, you can't just leave prison.
@mario @bitterblossom The children do not determine when they leave, the niggers do not determine when they leave. Any other gotchas or can you drop the act?
If the child can't talk, they are too young to safely walk anyways
If the child can talk, they can ask the nurturer to call their parents to pick them up
they can ask.
it won't happen.
children at a daycare center, or school, don't get these simple rights. no caretaker or teacher is going to phone home to parents just because the kid asked to leave. not even if there's a good reason for it. the only time they'll bite is if there's some medical emergency, because then it's too much trouble and they don't want to be held responsible. then, depending on the facility and who is working there, the parents are forced to take them out.
ethnic groups have differences in mental capacity as much as the different age groups do, cranial maturity is not the same for every cluster - to replace the words only reinforces the fact ironically
@doorroo @mario @bitterblossom It does not MATTER if 99.9999999% of niggers are werewolf people from hell that bleed acid, you cannot just fucking shoot them on the basis of being black, you cannot just take an entire fucking groups rights away on the basis that most of them are retarded.
@doorroo @mario @bitterblossom The subtext is clearly that they can not do that if they wish to remain moral.
that's what i wanted you to say, moral. morality is rooted in empathy, consent based on age grouping and conscious development is designed to protect the generally immature from exploitation because children have a higher propensity of being impressionable than adults do. this doesn't mean there aren't children that know better than to be exploited, or there aren't adults who can be, but outliers don't define rules
some individuals with down syndrome are high functioning while the mass of them need assistance, you wouldn't make the rule based on the few who are fine
@doorroo @mario @bitterblossom This is a valid point that I have considered myself and is why I believe everyone should be restricted from giving consent from infancy onward, and it will only be when they are able to pass a series of tests to prove they aren't emptyheadded. Some will pass the tests at an early age, single digits for some, most will pass as teens, and another smaller percentage would pass much older, or maybe even never.
in which case you'd be better off making an extension or amendment of the 'Romeo & Juliet' concept, the idea that there are exceptions occurring that involve no abuse whatsoever. trying to attack the AoC itself would open the window to too many manipulators taking advantage like we see in West Asia, and incidentally would lead overprotective parents to become even more overbearing in an instinctive move to defend their progeny
@doorroo @mario @bitterblossom See this is a valid point, I'm open to ideas but they have to be thought out and logical, not doctrine
presumed retarded and under lockdown until you can prove intelligence?
what's going to stop an even more extreme case of "oh, it's stupid, so it wont even be able to learn these complex topics, so we won't even teach it until it can prove it's smart enough" spiraling towards forced ignorance and idiocy?
keep it simple. if there's a case where informed consent is required, seek to acquire it from the subject. if in that instance it seems unlikely to be properly informed, attempt to educate so it is. if, then, it fails to comprehend, you say "okay, they aren't ready to make informed consent decisions on THIS subject YET." and then you defer the decision for later, or pass it to a legal guardian responsible for such matters.
make a simple process, apply it situationally. there will be no need for bullshit like an AoC or complex rulings saying you can do this at this age, that at that age, have to study this by this age, etc, etc. The issue of informed consent should only be brought up, in the first place, in potentially hazardous or otherwise risky situations. If there is no risk or potential harm to the subject, informed consent isn't strictly necessary, just basic consent.
@sekuhara @mario @bitterblossom @doorroo Your idea is much simpler and heuristic, I prefer it. I forget that bureaucracy isn't a part of the environment, it is a practice, I usually try and twist this system into something functional rather than abolish it, because of this forgetfulness. But it is more than forgetfulness, it is fear, there is a fear in me that if bureaucracy was ever collapsed, everything everywhere will die. And yet I consciously hate bureaucracy, I find it wasteful of time and energy and resources, but it's like an addiction, It's like a comfort, It's sick. Bureaucracy is like the Little drummer boy and when I march along with him I feel oh so in step, and oh so at ease, and yet in the back of my mind there is something scratching, screaming to get out because it knows that we are trapped.
@mario @bitterblossom I believe you are glancing around too quickly and you are not noticing the hole in your argument, or you do not care, but it is this; by arbitrarily restricting an entire class of people, based on the assumption that many in this class are not wise enough to be unrestricted, you will inevitably restrict those who happen to be in this class, but also happen to be different from their fellows in that they are wise enough to take care of themselves. Is not this binding of an unwilling and consciousness entity a form of rape, a form of slavery, a form of torture, a form of dehumanization, and this dehumanization is inescapable, forever, the victim will know they were less then human, their rage will grow, until...problems.
Agism is bigotry. It just is. There's no getting around that. It's either ok to be a bigot or it's not. We're either individuals or we're numbers. And in this society, we are numbers, and I hope that changes one day.
Yes, I am intolerant to the notion that underage people can consent.
@mario @bitterblossom Well I just made the age of consent 99 years old, happy now? It's arbitrary. You seriously don't see the problem with that, this is what I don't get, you seem rather logical and sharp yet you refuse to admit that your logic is faulty and revert to anecdote and "common sense talk" and shit, I just don't get you.
That's true. But 18 sounds reasonable enough for me.
Just be nice to them and they will do what you tell them.
If we were to allow children to give legal consent, they would fck up their whole adult life.