huh they really do sell diphenhydramine over the counter here too

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alright reading about trip reports this doesn't sound fun at all

@cummies why they gotta keep only the lame hallucinogens at hand, damn

@driftwood dph is decent in the 50-100mg range, you dont go literally insane and can boost orgasm (dont do it often, there is at least one case of ed)

i dont recommend frequent use at all, its oddly addictive since mACh antagonism promotes dopamine neurotransmission. and its tenuously linked with dementia at therapeutic doses

@cummies yeah, was likely only ever gonna try it once, but idk. ill see. i trust your judgement that 50-100 is alright.

@driftwood 50mg is a sleep dose so youll be fine. seriously dont let your curiosity get to you with this though. if you want delirium there are safer options like mirtazapine or sleep deprivation, and even then they are not healthy

@cummies gotcha then. sleep deprivation isn't much fun either. i think i'll skip this whole idea then

@driftwood oh

last one that is good is ambien. delirium but not physically harmful. but you NEED someone sober to look after you

@driftwood addictive like all gabaergics and also you will probably beg your tripsitter for more (happened to my friend)

went well with weed for me but i have no clue if thats a good idea or not

@cummies i trust myself with handling dosages well, and preparing things so that i don't have access to more in the moment, but this is good to know

i don't like thc much lol

@driftwood if its anxiety, the ambien will absolutely murder any possible anxiety lol

@cummies hmmmm, i just react poorly physically - it never sits quite right. the slight upside in sensation is outweighed by the discomfort

US Congressman Patrick J. Kennedy says that he was using zolpidem (Ambien) and promethazine (Phenergan) when caught driving erratically at 3 a.m.[70] "I simply do not remember getting out of bed, being pulled over by the police, or being cited for three driving infractions," Kennedy said.

lmao

@driftwood btw have you tried dxm?

just dont trust dose calculators, if ur hypersensitive you'll get traumatized or killed because your medium dose ended up being a lethal dose for you

start very low, and increase very slow and never use it more than once a month per plateau, its like mdma in how quick it can fry you

also if you're on ssris, snris, maois or other antidepressants just dont take it. there is a huge risk of interactions since its a promiscuous drug. if on stims dont take the stims for a few days before

its got a reputation as a "cant afford better drugs" thing but it has changed my life profoundly

@cummies ...for the better?

i don't usually go by dose calculators but by looking at people's discussions of it and averaging out on the lower end of the recommended starting doses they give

im on a low dose of ssnris rn, and yeah, i imagine they fuck with it, because of course they do. snris fuck with so many fun drugs .-. i won't do anything that interacts with them until im off them

i have not tried dxm!

@driftwood >for the better?
yeah, in some ways. i have a fascination with drugs and i have a new respect for living, but i did also end up overdosing because of that hypersensitivity thing and it was existentially horrifying in some ways

make sure you're at least 3 months off snris before trying dxm. its probably overcautious but serotonin syndrome while tripping is apparently one of the things that will put you off drugs forever

@cummies ohhh that previous post was about dxm

im reading about it and it sounds honestly great - i'm a bit put off by this bit here about the third plateau (though i can hardly imagine this is a super reliable classification) causing possibly temporary bouts of psychosis. if that's the case i probably will put this idea on a shelf for a long time, because i don't trust my mental stability fully rn

the dose of snris im on is low, 30mg duloxeting, but yeah, no reason to risk SS lol - ive been wary of it for a long time

i have a lot of fascination with drugs too, and it just so happens that only lately did i acquire access to basically anything i want, so i'm definitely in an exploratory period, though at a normal rate, leaving resting time

i appreciate your knowledge about this a ton

@driftwood all dissociatives have some risk of causing psychosis and mania. dxm isnt as bad as pcp in that aspect. third plat isnt bad, but it needs preparation (perfect set and setting, tripsitter in the house but not necessarily in the same room since dxm is very personal)

i was on fourth plat (seeing shadow objects and psychosis) and i recommend that to no one. at least have experience with bad third plat trips before going there lol

@cummies hmmmm, how'd you rate ket - without going into k-hole doses - in terms of danger for psychosis? that's the dissociative i was most readily interested in at the moment

i have a lot of interest in dissociatives and i *think* i could probably do most if i take enough care, but i do definitely have to be a bit more aware than a hypothetical "standard" blank slate user

@driftwood @cummies Ket can sometime get rushy but not bad enough to be not worth taking. I hear too much can lead to problems but Idk how someone can do too much unless they take a bunch at once, bumping up slowly a person knows when they've had enough, a microdose every 20 min or so until they're where they want to be.

-or so I've heard

@Jazzy_Butts @driftwood metabolism destroys bladder cells. not an issue irregularly using tho

@cummies @driftwood Yes but they've been doing studies on people in medical settings (not recreational) using moderate doses and they've been fine for years, daily dose, for years. It seems to be a thing that happens to some people but not others, so ketamine bladder damage seems to have to do with more than just ketamine use. Possibly genetics.