@errante @cummies I guees it is, I'm literally assuming the deep primordial instincts in myself and applied them to everyone else, because we're all human, and I feel as though I have reached the bottom of the well of my psyche, I have hit psychological bedrock and entered the zone of monkeylike instincts. So I figure these instincts are like the OS, and every human has the same OS, it's the extra programs that make us individuals, but we all have the same OS. And that OS says to eat, fuck, shit, and defend/attack, and it doesn't care who it eats, it doesn't care who it fucks, it doesn't care where or when it shits, and it doesn't care who it's attacking or defending.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies i have my zoophilia as one of those instincts but i dont think it applies to everyone!

like.... its not unreasonable for wiring to change the instincts around

because it does occur. you get shit like anhedonia. you get ppl unable to feel pain. a buch of different things can fuck with those basal instincts

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies like i dont know! me being pretty much gay is one of those primal instincts right? but not everyone is gay! i find vagina pretty weird and unappealing and i dont think thats normal!

@errante @cummies EVERYONE *IS* GAY, THAT IS MY ARGUMENT, EVERYONE IS A FUCKING LIAR, OR THEY'RE FUCKING STUPID, AND HASN'T EXAMINED WHO THEY REALLY ARE, WE ARE PSYCHOTIC FUCKMACHINES FROM THE AFRICAN SAVANNAH AND THE SOONER WE ALL CAN ADMIT THAT THE SOONER STEPS CAN BE TAKEN TO SMOOTH THIS SHIT OUT, SOCIETY NEEDS TO DROP IT'S MADE UP TABOOS AND GET WITH IT

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies my girlfriend loves to eat pussy and i dont think shes doing it because of taboo

she gets the exact same way about adult women that i do about young boys lol and neither of these attractions are due to taboo

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies neither of us are people strongly afflicted with taboo shes not a zoophile and i am. people are just different lol

@errante @cummies I never said these attractions emerge DUE to taboos, I said they are REPRESSED because of taboos, you and your gf are strong enough mentally to resist that outside social pressure to repress.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies yea, im saying that shes not repressing a desire to like dogs or like young boys due to taboo
she just doesnt have those desires

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies i dont think everyone has the same undifferentiated tastes or philias. i legit just think its possibly more common than we think, social repression does play a role in it seeming rare

/but not everyone has all of them/

@errante @cummies There's lots of desires that I don't have but I understand them, and have even orgasmed to them, because I wanted to understand others better. This is what I mean when I say EVERYTHING is inside us, EVERYTHING, whatever Hitler or Ghandi was capable of so are we, and so is everyone else.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies > have even orgasmed to them

i am not capable of this! lmfao

a lot of things are a turn off no matter how hard i try! cant avoid that.

i dont think i, as i am now, am capable of what others did! if things changed, maybe, but i dont think i could right now kill someone

@errante @cummies See Jordan Peterson woke me up to this, he said that anyone is capable of anything, he said we could each be Hitler, and I meditated on that for years, and I think he's right. That's why I don't trust anyone, because I know what "good" people are capable of.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies i think thats paranoia!
yes, there exists some set of processes that could drive someone to commit some certain set of actions. thats... an obvious truth?

but like. most people havent had the set of events that would let them even /kill/ others happen to them! idk

@errante @cummies Yea but the potential is there, built into their OS, that's what I'm saying about everyone being a secret map, just like how everyone is a secret Hitler

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies but that isnt a meaningful thing!
like
everything has the potential to be anything
that doesnt mean they are it
or will ever be it

theres NO POINT reasoning about potential. why? because its INFINITE.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies if you take Potential as a moral thing, you cannot take any moral action. why? because every single action has the potential to kill someone you love. there is a construct-able chain of events wherein that action you're about to take leads to the death of someone you love.

if you can construct that sequence of events, it /could/ happen. its a stupid premise to work with

@errante @cummies Exactly, you get it now, you know now why I sometimes have breakdowns and stare off into space frozen, unable to move for lengths of time, like a schizophrenic with locked in syndrome

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies see, the difference between you and me is that i recognize that potential is stupid for reasoning about people and moral actions

@errante @cummies I guess, it just hurts so bad, the fear of potentiality, that I want to chip everyone and make them pass tests and shit and chip myself and make myself pass tests and create a new perfect system of organization that stops all injustices (my definition of)

But I used to think this was bad, because no human is fully good and they would use a system like that to opress not to bring justice (my definition of), but isn't that just worrying about potentiality again? "If we chip everyone we could POTENTIALLY get Hitler again!"

But that's why I didn't get vaccinated, it can POTENTIALLY be a gov plan to hurt people.

And it's also why I don't go outside a lot, because I could POTENTIALLY get hurt.

It's also why I don't hang out with people, something could POTENTIALLY go bad.

And I think all these things are potential because I've either read about them happening before or have experienced them happening before.

It's why I'm very careful getting in and out of the tub, I could potentially fall.

It goes on, turtles all the way down, where does it end, I don't know

@errante @cummies I think I see, it's like how I want to build a faraday cage around my house, just because a celestial emp COULD fry all my data doesn't mean it WILL and I'd likely be wasting my time building it

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies exactly, but its more like building a defense against russian-made cruise missiles. there is a scenario you could conceive of that you piss off specifically putin who missiles specifically you, and the potential of that is there, so you should defend against that possibility

@errante @cummies Hmmm Idk if I agree that it changes the base instincts, idk, I know about brain stuff and how it can change people. And if you think most people, at BASE, not all manipulated into having taboos, but at BASE, don't want to fuck animals, well I disagree. All children have curiosity on the farm, they all look and giggle and point and talk about the horsecocks they saw. If this isn't our OS being wired to be HORNY indiscriminately idk what it is, this kind of sexual curiosity is built into us, the majority of us, I won't stop the train just because a few passengers are motion sick, they do not represent the majority.

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies i literally just think youre projecting tbh

theres this guy in hitory
who was like
madly in love with herons i think
and he wrote so much poetry on their beauty
and how other people clearly wanted to fuck herons but society suppressed it

@errante @cummies Dude was right

@zombiefemboy @Jazzy_Butts @cummies babies look weird and unsettling to me

@errante @Jazzy_Butts @cummies u like dogs, u have no room to speak

@zombiefemboy @Jazzy_Butts @cummies theyre cute and fluffy

@errante @Jazzy_Butts @cummies and babies are sexy as hell

@zombiefemboy @Jazzy_Butts @cummies sure, to you! attractions and preferences are subjective

@errante @Jazzy_Butts @cummies thank u for the observation captain obvious

@zombiefemboy @Jazzy_Butts @cummies im trying to communicate that to jazzy.......

@errante @zombiefemboy @cummies Same, they look ugly to me too and as males the reason this is, is probably related to competition. Instincts don't care about rationality, if you are a being competing and then there's this ugly little blob that makes NOISE (noise is bad sometimes) and gets in the way, instincts are going to say beat the fuck out of it. That's why so many fathers even today are abusive. Mothers too, the genders are not binary they are a gradient. Why do you think people used to sacrifice (immoral, wrong) so many children in pre history? Because their instincts told them to do so and they came up with post hoc justifications for it just like everyone does with everything.

@Jazzy_Butts @zombiefemboy @cummies im on estrogen and my normal male instincts certainly dont apply anymore

@errante @zombiefemboy @cummies gradient still, gradient, there's cis women who are straight and who are more masculine than you, I'm not saying gender is binary I already said

@Jazzy_Butts @zombiefemboy @cummies oh im referring to actual mental procceses that're affected by hormones

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies it is not instinctual to want to hurt babies. we are evolutionarily primed to want to protect them.

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies That's not true, male lions murder cubs, regularly, males of nearly every species will kill babies of their own species because they are competition.

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies humans are not lions

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies True, but they're both mammals, and so are chimps, another hyperviolent species. And besides, it's like you're not reading what I already wrote, ancient humans regularly sacrificed infants as offerings to gods.

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies human beings are compelled to do a lot of things against their evolutionary instincts

@Jazzy_Butts @cummies @errante for every society u can find that sacrificed infants im sure i can find two more that treated them better

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies You mean like ours where we mutilate baby penises (for fun? as a hobby? as some kind of artistic statement? it certainly isn't for any valid medical reasons)

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies its not because we are instinctually primed to hurt babies either, that's a stupid and nonscientific idea. it's for social and religious reasons that have been long ingrained in our society for generations. if u wanna make claims about biology and evolution u better be prepared with more than just stories.

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies I don't understand your counter, I think you just don't want to admit that human beings still have the amoeba in them that we evolved from, and that amoeba doesn't give a shit about anything other than consooming. It's obvious that other systems have been built on top of it to protect the baby, but can't you see what they're built on top of? Like an indian burial ground in an 80s movie these things don't just go away, they have to be recognized and dealt with, through communal talk therapy.

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies you clearly do not know anything about evolution or biology. i encourage you to do some research.

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies lol lmao even

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies what's so funny

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies You seem stupid so go learn more is not a great argumentative tactic, makes you look out of your depth. If you know so much, explain it so a 5 year old could understand, I am afterall, very simple.

@Jazzy_Butts @errante @cummies fuck you, you're the one that looks stupid, making claims without any basis. fuck off.

@zombiefemboy @errante @cummies lol I gave evidence and you discounted it