@errante you knew exactly what I was talking about lol, literally pho

@errante I just hate culinary gatekeeping and I see it a lot, a soup is a soup, and I hate the implication that someone cannot make a kind of soup properly if they don't know the history behind it.

@Jazzy_Butts these are entirely unrelated notions

@Jazzy_Butts pho is defined by a set of techniques and common ingredients
you cant really make it without one of them
so you cant make it if you dont know how to make it or whats in it

@errante I disagree, if someone accidentally makes pho, by happenstance, it's still the same thing as pho.

@Jazzy_Butts yes
becausr theyve used the same techniques

??????
this doesnt disprove my point

@Jazzy_Butts anyway im not up for an ontology here but you missrd the point of techniwues and ingredients

like, you cant make a pho accidentally without using the technique to make pho. it just means you stumbled upon the technique by chance

@errante I understand your meaning, I'm very open minded usually about other cultures, but seeing people go on and on about their asian foods with the tacked on "a westerner couldn't possibly understand" and "westerners bullied me for my food", like a westerner can't make just as good pho or like a westerner can't make it because he doesn't have great grandmas 1,000 year old pussy sauce or something. It's never stated outright but it seems to be implied sometimes.

@Jazzy_Butts thats fai

@errante I love asian foods, but I can not fucking stand the pretentiousness around them (as bad as the french) that has appeared suddenly and out of nowhere because of victim politics on instagram/facebook

@errante Makes a soup with tomatoes: "Tomato soup"

Makes a soup with tomatoes: "Gespacho"

I'm really complaining about languages and the instance of people to use the names they want you to use. Like soup nazis. If I want to call pho noodle soup I should be allowed to without being shamed. Like a foreigner calling pizza pita bread, I'm not going to get mad and go all new york and say "AY BADABING IZZA PIZZA WASSA WRONG WIT YOU GUY"

@Jazzy_Butts bby gazpacho iant just 'tomato soup'
its a soup made by blending raw tomatoes
its very different to cream of tomato soup or what have you, because in one of them, the ingredients arent cooked

@Jazzy_Butts both of them are tomato soups yes, but if i ordered one and got the other i'd be annoyed, because their specific differences matter, which is why we call them the specific things. you can call pho noodle soup if you want, but the reason people call it pho is to differentiate it for the specific things that make it pho

@errante I guess that's true, I just don't follow recipies so when I make stuff it's just "seasoned chicken" and surr it might be battered and fried or baked or stewed but its still "seasoned chicken" despite the specifics.

@Jazzy_Butts if you said 'seasoned chicken, no one but you knows what you made'. talk to someone else, using more specific words can help convey what you mean.its like saying everything is food. sure, everything is food, but that doesnt exactly help

@errante @Jazzy_Butts cold soup

@icedquinn @Jazzy_Butts its delicious

@errante @Jazzy_Butts i dont eat a lot of soup cause of carb dodging but i might add some back now that i need more carbs

@errante True but they are essentially both soups of tomato

@Jazzy_Butts no, they are both tomato soups, which is what i already said. because tomato soup is a broad category. no one cares if you call gazpacho a tomato soup, but if you call a cream of tomato soup gazpacho, youre wrong, because of the whole techniques/ingredients thing

@errante I agree