@starsystem @ProstasiaInc I think it's reasonable that your likeness cannot be used in ways that you did not consent to. They even noted that the same rule applies to adults.

@shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc i think that’s reasonable too, but i don’t think a violation of that is equivalent to sexual abuse.

@starsystem @ProstasiaInc Oh, I see. It is abusive and sexual, though; what's wrong with calling it sexual abuse?

@starsystem @ProstasiaInc Maybe my threshold for using that word is lower. I would feel awful if I were the victim of it.

@starsystem @ProstasiaInc Feel great about the fact that they did not ask for your consent?

@shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc people only need my consent if they do something that involves my body. making art of me can’t possibly hurt me, and id enjoy the attention.

@starsystem @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc I've gotten paid to be a nude model and I would definitely feel violated if my bathroom had a one-way mirror that someone used to produce similar pictures. I feel like a lot of this is purely the social stigma attached, which could change if society changed, but that is where a bulk of the trauma comes from.

@raerae @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc that would literally be a violation of your privacy and isn’t what we’re talking about at all

@starsystem @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc It is a violation of privacy because their clothes were removed in a context where they believed that wouldn't happen. We could use the one-way mirror in a public shower at the gym so it's not invading the privacy of my home. Surely I expect people might see me naked in this scenario, but I don't expect someone to replicate my likeness.
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@raerae @shoulderdemon @starsystem @ProstasiaInc But none of the cgi stuff was real. I've been recorded sexually without my consent and it's horrible, and it's not the same as someone making a drawing of me or making a deepfake of me with ai or anything else, because it's made up. And I don't want anyone who looks at nonconsensual porn of me to get in trouble, I just want the person who made it to.

@Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @starsystem @ProstasiaInc Well I don't think anyone should go to prison over this necessarily. I just think it's morally dubious to film someone without their consent and then apply ML algorithms to remove their clothing.

@raerae @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc reminds me of the TNG episode(s) where one person would use another person’s likeness as a holodeck fantasy, and then they’d eventually find out and flip out lol.

Is it a personal violation? Yeah. Is it illegal? Erm…. Maybe…?

@Trashy @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc Yeah in both cases it's completely the *social* stigma if it is found out and that stigma may be entirely internalized, but if you know that is going to be the result in your current social context then I believe it is morally wrong.
@Trashy @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc Well that's for the prosecutor to decide! There's lots of things people go in front of the judge for that I don't necessarily think should.
@Trashy @Jazzy_Butts @ProstasiaInc @shoulderdemon @starsystem Like I got a public indecency ticket for edging on the bus yesterday trying to get the mystical 4 cum. Guess what? I have to go in front of a judge now bc I want to cum more than once.

@raerae @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc you’re already a trans gooner pedophile, you’re literally the monster that all the Republicans fear lol I assume you have enough sense but I couldn’t be certain 😅

@Trashy @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc I'm not a gooner! I defend the gooners bc no one else will and their hands are busy.

@raerae @starsystem @Jazzy_Butts @shoulderdemon @ProstasiaInc okay wait no I forgot small claims and judge Judy are a thing lol But yes I agree. I think the big deciding factor would be whether or not he distributed the ai porn.

Though in this case the fact that it was about children may elevate it to court regardless. I was just talking in the general case

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