@shoulderdemon @zoocat Is there actually any evidence that it was abusive, or are people just assuming that? Because I haven't seen any real evidence that any abuse occurred, and the most people can point to is that he suddenly stopped associating with the family/girls but that's not really evidence of anything other than they stopped associating, I stopped associating with my karate instructor because I stopped taking karate, and people could say he abused me because our bodies were intertwined on a regular basis, but he didn't, and just because someone thinks a man shouldn't take a picture of a child doesn't mean that if he does it's abuse. A Victorian would be horrified that I wrestled with women in training, does that mean that what we did was improper?