@mewmew try looking for 'regressive' while you're at it 
But yeah... I had the exactly same problem while lookimg up Libertarians. Sometimes, you just don't know the correct word to use when looking these things up.
@mewmew yeah, since conservatives are pushing for segregation soo much these days...
I guess it will be better to end the political talk here, since it's obvious we do belong to a different corners of the triangle.
The question we should ask: is "progress" good?
It's an argument from novelty, really.
"If it's newer, it's better."
The conservative argument: trust that which is tested by time.
Except that we have known for thousands of years that Earth is not flat.
We like that which works in reality.
You like that which works in a social setting.
But, that fails over time, because that social setting is WITHIN reality.
Most are, because religion keeps re-inventing itself, which means that it serves some role. Therefore, we want the sanest religion we can get. I think that's changing however as conservatives flee churches.
I don't think it's possible to have cultural conservatism without religion, honestly. And as for economic conservatism - sure - but economic conservatism is just bad economic policy.
What is authoritarianism?
Conservatives like strong leadership that enables people to live normal lives and be left alone.
The Left wants to intervene in their private lives to force them to conform.
This might be interesting:
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2010/11/anarcho-monarchism
I disagree. History's most advanced progressives have always ended up as dictators, and democracy tends toward dictatorship after a couple centuries.
If something keeps blowing up on the launchpad, at some point you blame the design.
There's nothing more progressive than Socialism, and all of those end up as Communism.
Democracy is a progressive idea, and yet it always ends in tyranny.
Remember when I said:
"The question we should ask: is "progress" good?
It's an argument from novelty, really.
'If it's newer, it's better.'
The conservative argument: trust that which is tested by time.
We like that which works in reality.
You like that which works in a social setting.
But, that fails over time, because that social setting is WITHIN reality."
We realize that the "new" is usually self-serving for the one who presents it, and is almost never actually new.
@amerika @mewmew @LukeAlmighty @allison
Democracy is a progressive idea, and yet it always ends in tyranny.
Unlimited democracy ends up in tyranny about five minutes after the people realize they can vote themselves whatever they want and to hell with a minority that may disagree. In other words, unlimited democracy being mob rule is nothing more than tyranny of the majority. Which is also why “democracy is automatically an unlimited good” is a deeply flawed concept
Properly limited and crafted democracies need not end up as a tyranny, but admittedly the danger still exists as the people will still frequently vote themselves in a king. Look at how the president of the US is treated/considered today vice 150 years ago. The Founders would likely be appalled at what the US has allowed that office to become. Who is to blame? The voters. V was right, after all
@wolfie @allison @mewmew @amerika
I think this describes modern politics as best as possible.
You have 3 primary ideological drivers.
1) Equity.
Equity is the primary driving force of the left. They see any inequity, and see fit to destroy it even if that inequity is caused by differenci in hard work/lazyness.
That is why they have no problems with open discrimination.
2) Stability.
Stability is the main driving force of the right. As long as a rule, no matter how authoretarian, can insure further stability, it is good. Because in a stable society, people can live their lives at piece.
As a result, they might discriminate against you, but only, when you are activelly destabilizing the society.
3) freedom (libertarian)
Enough said. If you fuck with me, I will fight. Libertarians believe, that the least government intervention in their lifes is the best option, as long as the basics of law and order can be sustained.
Neither right nor the left is for freedom, but left does attack it non-stop, while the right only sometimes...
