@Aviz @icedquinn @dubh @Reanne13 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife
Chance of this being a troll comment.... 85 percent.

@LukeAlmighty @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh @Reanne13 what? Everything he said was completely accurate

@LukeAlmighty @icedquinn @dubh @Reanne13 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife

Think about presenting yourself as a dissident in the Soviet Union and your main critique of the government is that because of this or that policy, the economy is still capitalistic actually.

You might not be loyal to the government, but you are still showing loyalty to its ideology, which is ultimately what it actually matters.

@Aviz @LukeAlmighty @Reanne13 @dubh @icedquinn I think this dude might actually be ESL and incapable of understanding

@Aviz @LukeAlmighty @Reanne13 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @dubh @icedquinn Even wikipedia with all its bias still gets this right.

@Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh
Left wing... freedom...

Yeah, I call bullshit.

@LukeAlmighty @Arkana @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh freedom in the hedonistic and degenerate sense, not genuine freedom

@LukeAlmighty @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh Yeah freedom from responsibility, family, truth, etc.
Not all freedom is good, and not all control is bad.

@Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh
> Not all freedom is good, and not all control is bad.

obviously. But lefties care so little about freedom, even average nazi (or rightwing fashist if you realy want to use this label) will offer you much more.

@LukeAlmighty @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh The ultimate distinction is left wing is equality and right wing is hierarchy.
In the pursuit of ultimate equality they no longer care about freedom.

@Arkana @LukeAlmighty @Aviz @Reanne13 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @dubh @icedquinn

@Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh
Yes.
I believe that many right wing "so called authoretarians" do not realize just how little freedoms does the left actually offers to people.

Because hierarchy means you can fight for your place in the world. You can build, or you can accept a place. In an equal society, you have no rights, that cannot be afforded to everyone, especially the people who cannot hold these rights.

@LukeAlmighty @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh If you put freedom as the ideal you seek to strive towards you are always going to be pushing closer and closer to allowing freedom of acts that undermine your authority, your freedom, and the everybody's freedom overall.
This is why America allowed themselves to be controlled by people who do not care about freedom.

Trying to give people freedom as your goal is like giving a random child many sharp metal implements. Sure, they may construct a tool and be useful, or hurt themselves, or they can stab you in the back.

@Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @icedquinn @dubh
Sorry, but I do not see what are you trying to suggest by this argument.

Yes, I do consider freedom to be one of the highest values, because self-actualization nor community growth are possible without it.

But I do not believe anyone thinks, that is should be followed in a robotic sense. Obviously, there are some actions needed to ensure security. Noone was free in Chaz. Noone could form a family or start a buisiness there.

Why did you believe stating that rule was important?

@LukeAlmighty So you also see freedom only as a means to an end, not the goal in and of itself. That's good, but if you idolize freedom, others won't get the same picture.
The left sees freedom as a means of achieving True Equality, by means of causing the worse off people to usurp the better off indefinitely.

@Arkana
Yeah.... No way I can accept the leftie logic. Equality is incompatible with freedom, so I see no reason to even mention their retarded definitions 99 percent of time.

I don't accept their definition of communism, gender or racism, so I see no reason to accept their definition of freedom.

@Arkana @icedquinn @dubh @LukeAlmighty @Reanne13 @Aviz @TheVeryLutheranHousewife If everyone is free, that's a form of equality.

@Hyolobrika @Aviz @LukeAlmighty @Reanne13 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @dubh @icedquinn Yes, that's what Communism gets billed as. We all know that it just results in starvation and genocide though

@Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @dubh @icedquinn @Hyolobrika
What are you two talking about?
Noone is free under communism.

@LukeAlmighty @Arkana @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Reanne13 @Aviz @dubh @icedquinn Unless it's anarcho-communism.

@Hyolobrika @icedquinn @Arkana @dubh @Reanne13 @Aviz @TheVeryLutheranHousewife
Put that next to the dry water please.