Anyone that doesn’t want kids being sexualized is a fascist, and also this warning sticker at a chain restaurant is proof of the real problems facing our country right now.
I think that's still not good, but it's nowhere near as fucked up as a 40-year-old marrying a 14-year-old.
@dave
Why are you against a young marriage?
Don't you think it's better then letting them collect debt in uni, let them get ""tricked"" by chad and then force them to 9-5 till they end up on antidepressants?
@dave @LukeAlmighty Do they just idle for years and years? Why?
@applejack @dave
This is the hardest part, that poasters will never understand.
Hormones start raging at the age of 15. That is primary school. That means, that the girl cannot possibly marry the first guy, till 3 years later. Fuck that, she cannot even talk about it.
But 3 years later, she is already in high school, with a random set of people and away from her family. And this "friends group randomization" won't end up till she's 25.
@applejack
Do you see any logic in what I just described @dave , or does it all seem to you as a bunch of nonsense?
@LukeAlmighty @dave Very sensible
- Statutory rape laws always need close-in-age exceptions (Romeo and Juliet Laws), otherwise you end up in weird situations, which have happened, where a 19-year-old sleeping with a 17-year-old gets put on the sex offender registry, when their relationship would have been fine if they were 18 and 20. Or you end up with two 15-year-olds sleeping with each other, and both getting charged with statutory rape, because they were both under the age of consent. This has also happened.
- As a rule your age limits should be drawn around actual criminality, not just seediness. Statutory rape is a serious charge that if convicted can easily ruin your life, and the punishment should fit the crime.
- Unlike most crimes which operate off of a "mens rea" (guilty mind) standard, which requires that you knew what you were doing, statutory rape laws tend to operate on a "strict liability" standard, which means that even if you had reason to believe the person you were sleeping with was of age (for example, you met in a bar, which requires showing ID, which implies that everyone in that bar is of age), you can still be tried and sentenced even if your belief that they were of age was reasonable.
- I don't like this, I think it should be mens rea like anything else, meaning if you had reason to believe they were of age, then you shouldn't be able to be tried. So if she looked old enough to get into the bar, and she's telling you she's 18, then you shouldn't be liable if it turns out she was lying.
@dave @applejack
I meant the part, where women cannot possibly marry, since they are already on the way to get their "promissing careers"
A lot of Mormon women go to college with the expectation that they're going to find and marry a guy, and he's going to be the breadwinner. I think it's the same (to a lesser degree) in normal colleges; women go hoping they'll find someone to marry.
Women do get sucked up into careerism and ultimately ending up unhappy because they missed out on building a family, and that's sad, but I don't think that's the universal college experience.
@dave @applejack
> I don't think that's the universal college experience.
Why are you talking in absolutes? Ain't "It's making things much worse" enough? There will always be an exception to anything.
Did you grow up under hardcore Mormons or the more normiecore Mormons? I see a lot of both around here.
@dave @applejack
But thanks.
I think I made my point now. If you feel like there is something I should consider, you have my full attention.
@dave @applejack
Not entierly.
My point is more like:
-If they want a 4 kid family, they should start at 20 tops.
-They cannot start a family at 20 because thy have no security.
-Traditional system of security (Marrige) has been made impossible, until either one or both people have income. This doesn't happen till they are 25, because of the education system.
And at 25, woman is already in debt AND unable to have 4 kids.
It is a complex trap, but the result is the same. Women start considering marrige as an option by the time, the entire concept is pointless.
@dave @applejack
The difference is, that I am not saying "stupid woman chose bad", but "all good choices women used to have are now gone".
@KonataWagner1066 @LukeAlmighty @dave It's not discouraging the girls from acting slutty, it's one-sided, and girls acting slutty is way more harmful to them
-Romeo and Juliet laws are good
-I've never encountered a man who had an issue regarding getting with an underage girl accidentally, so I suspect the frequency of this issue is being exaggerated
-Hookups among people who meet at bars will always be a thing to an extent, sure. But if you play with fire, you might get burned
@KonataWagner1066 @applejack @dave
The problem with the Romeo and Juliette laws is, that it doesn't solve the education trap.
There is no reason a kid should study till 25. Programming doesn't take that long to make you employable. But we have filled education with so much random shit, that highschool absolvents are barely employable.
That being said, I still don't like the idea of teen marriage and think the ideal age for that is probably mid twenties. And trust me, if my family's genealogy records are anything to go by, you don't need to start pumping out kids at 18 to have huge families.
@KonataWagner1066 @applejack @dave
Yeah, there are way too many factors I would love to complain about, but the education trap is the main one.
Also, the universities as they are now shouldn't really exist, but people are so obsessed with the idea of "všeobecné vzdělání""translated: education about everything at once" that they don't notice they've lost 10 years on bullshit.
@LukeAlmighty @KonataWagner1066 @dave He's on poast so he can't see my reply but I'll note that any system that encourages smart women to get education at all is always dysgenic and means you'll be noticeably dumber within a generation
Also, is všeobecné vzdělání something like everythinggeneral alldone? Looks like "всеобщий всёделаны"
