@moffintosh
And by "figured out", they mean "waiting lines months long even for basic procedures". Of course it's free, if half of your patients die before you have to do anything.
@LukeAlmighty US citzens already subsidize their private heathcare with tax money more than europeans do with their public healthcare.
Dude stop coping please
@moffintosh@berserker.town @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club FREEDOM is when private hospitals bill u 5k just to hold your new born. U can't understand 💅
@moffintosh
Man, I wish I could cope with the shit I am forced to live in, but no. This is hell.
And you thinking, that European healthcare is great is the crazy cope here.
@LukeAlmighty That is made up nonsense made up by marketing and coping lolberts. Not only free heathcare countries are constantly at the top of the world for life expectancy, but also at the top for general health of their citzens.
I lived all my life in a free healthcare country, and someone dying for waiting times in unheard of in my entire family tree and community
@moffintosh
Bro
I live in Czech republic, and I haven't seen a doctor in 3 fucking years. But sure.. It's all propaganda.
I don't know anyone who is waiting months for the most basic operations while in constant pain and fear. 
But sure... repeat whatever shit you want idiot.
@moffintosh
But suuuure. It's so advanced care to come to a doctor with a problem, and to be told: sorry bruh, you aren't on my list, so I don't care about you.
In less civilized countries, I can at least pull my wallet to get checked. In here, I have only the right to be told to fuck off.
@yangwenli @moffintosh
Good joke, but no.
Since you guys rule the EU already, I cannot say we are better off under your management.
1883: Endgültige Trennung zwischen privater Krankenversicherung und gesetzlicher Krankenversicherung durch Reichskanzler Otto von Bismarck
@yangwenli
I responded to your joke about government by germans, not to healthcare.
But I see you have some axe to grind with the idea, so I am cutting this topic with you here. Have a nice day.
@yangwenli
I do blame it you fucking ape.
Seriously? Who are you even talking to? No matter what I say, you respond to your own assumptions instead.
@LukeAlmighty > I haven't seen a doctor in 3 fucking years.
So you have even less of an idea of what you're talking about...?
But sure.. It's all propaganda.
Yes
@moffintosh
Sure, keep on ignoring everything I say, because it doesn't fit your fairytale.
If me saying, that I have been trying to find an avaiable doctor for so long, I just gave up, deciding, I am better off becoming a health freak, then ever talking to tax-payed doctors again seems good to you, then sure. I won't change your mind anyway.
@LukeAlmighty > Sure, keep on ignoring everything I say, because it doesn't fit your fairytale.
Dude, up until this point you have been spewing untrue stuff
If me saying, that I have been trying to find an avaiable doctor for so long, I just gave up, deciding, I am better off becoming a health freak, then ever talking to tax-payed doctors again seems good to you, then sure.
I don't know how the czech system works, and I wouldn't be surprised if the constant gutting by neoliberals have left it in a pitful state.
What I do know is that private healthcare is a expensive pile of steaming crap that will leave you dead or bankrupt, and that the best heathcare systems of the world are all free at the point of service.
> What I do know is that private healthcare is a expensive pile of steaming crap that will leave you dead or bankrupt,
I never said it was good, and I saw the stories. Don't worry, I get it.
> And that the best heathcare systems of the world are all free at the point of service.
That is the part I cannot accept. It is ridiculous how bad the free system is. While the American system will leave you in debt, the czech system will leave tou waiting for your death.
So excuse me, when I say that I don't believe, that a system, that will actually look at you is somehow better.
@moffintosh
And to the "untrue" part, please, include an example. Calling someone a liar is not a matter of opinion. 
@LukeAlmighty "And by "figured out", they mean "waiting lines months long even for basic procedures". Of course it's free, if half of your patients die before you have to do anything"
@moffintosh
Well, I am so happy, that you have never seen such a thing, but it is real in here. Under your ideal system.
@moffintosh
Btw, here is an article on the topic. And all of the written numbers are in the "ideal world"
https://www.vitalia.cz/clanky/jak-dlouho-se-ceka-na-operace-a-lze-to-urychlit/
@moffintosh
Ve Fakultní nemocnici Na Bulovce si pacient počká například na totální endoprotézu kolene nebo kyčle deset měsíců, na rekonstrukci prsu implantátem 2,5 roku a na mamografii tři měsíce.
Na vyšetření na magnetické rezonanci se čeká v Hradci Králové až dva měsíce, na operaci kýly až šest měsíců, až dva roky na operace páteře.
Ve Fakultní nemocnici Brno se pacient dostane na sál se žlučníkovými kameny za půl roku, když chce vyměnit kolenní kloub, trvá to i 1,5 roku.
V plzeňské nemocnici se čeká na náhradní kolenní kloub až devět měsíců.
V pražské Thomayerově nemocnici se neakutní případy kýly operují za čtvrt roku.
@moffintosh
And there is also a funny mechanism, where if you miss a term, because you were sick, the waiting time restarts. 
@LukeAlmighty Here you just phone the doc and ask for an appointment. In my experience it tops at 1 week if you're unlucky or your doc is an ass at organizing
@moffintosh
Also, 50 percent tax rate, but that is a western problem, not a healthcare problem.