@PunishedD @dave
And I hope you will be able to hold longer with your kids.

@LukeAlmighty @dave I think the universal use of "because I said so" shows that's not humanely possible.

@PunishedD @dave
I'm not sure about that.
As someone who had the fortune of "3 parents", I can clearly see, that one of them was a fucking moral failure from the beginning, while the other two did their absolute best.

So, I'm sure you will be able to rise your kid well too, if you care.

@LukeAlmighty @dave I don't think it's an issue of morality or care. The best parents in the world still say "because I said so". Ever play the "Why?" game with a kid? They ask something like "why are plants green". And you say it's because they need to be green to make food. "Why?" Because plants use a green chemical to make food. "Why?" Because everything needs food to grow. "Why?" Because, well, ok so to start there's this thing called the Law of Conservation of Energy... Eventually you get down to "JUST BECAUSE". Odds are you tap out before you make it all the way down to quantum mechanics with your 4 yr old. Louis CK did the classic bit on this one (6:56 if the timestamp doesn't work): https://youtu.be/IR8Um_vZ3oM?si=tOf9J8KeGRE_DPjy&t=416 "Because I said so" is the non-physics version of that. Even the best parents in the world don't have the time for a 2 hour debate with a kid on why they should clean their room. Giving them Peterson's psychological explanations just triggers more Why? games. Kids should clean their room because their parents said so, with the assurance that "you'll understand when you're older".

@PunishedD @LukeAlmighty @dave that's lazy and why kids learn to believe their parents are retarded ngl

@eidolon @LukeAlmighty @dave It's not lazy. An 8 year old is not going to understand the psychological or hygienic reasons why living spaces need to be cleaned. But they DO understand authority. Kids are dumb, their opinion of their parents being retarded is also dumb. You're supposed to grow out of the childish frame of reference and realize "oh, my parents were actually smart, they were helping me the whole time". I was being literal when I said the companion assurance is "you'll understand when you're older". If you've got the time and ability to explain everything from quantum mechanics to subconscious stressors to an 8 yr old's satisfaction, please share your time-traveling magic with the rest of us. Also bring along the bookcase full of exhibits and practical experiments one must carry around for when the question arises driving down the highway.

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
You have now jumped from: "clean your room because your friends will judge you" to quantum physics... I think you missed the point of my comment.

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
Also, yes, some parents do have an authority. But they do have it, because they can earn it by their every day actions. If they cannot explain why cleaning your room is a good thing though, then I have no empathy for them once their kid loses the last spec of respect they used to feel towards them.

It is their fucking job after all.

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
And yes, I was one of the kids, who used to have "problems with authority". How could you tell

@LukeAlmighty @eidolon @dave So was I. Still do. And though I didn't understand the room cleaning thing until I was in my 20s, I still respected my parents because I could tell they loved me even when forcing me to clean my room. Your parents were the legitimate authority in your life. We, as kids, were dumb. If you didn't understand that basic authority, that doesn't make you cool, that makes you extra dumb. I previously said "tired of dealing with your shit" in the universal sense of "all parents get tired". But perhaps you were actually being a little shit?

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
Yes, all kids are dumb little shits. Who would have thought.

That isn't an excuse for bad parenting though, and if the only authority you can think of is "they bought my food", then guess what? That authority is gone now.

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
And stop assuming everyone has loving parents. I could say that it's privileged, abelist or some shit, but the true problem with this assumption is, that it's actually seriously retarded.

@LukeAlmighty @eidolon @dave My assumption was we were talking about the good parents, or at least well-meaning ones, who still have reason to say "because I said so". If you've got bad parents, it doesn't matter if they sit down and deeply explain room-cleaning to you. A resort to parental authority doesn't make someone a bad parent. It's just something every parent has to do at some point. If parents never talk to their kids other than to issue orders, that's a bigger problem.

@PunishedD @eidolon @dave
Well, I am talking about my opinion, that resulting to "parental authority" (meaning listen or you will die) is a temporary solution, that will give you the action today, but will fuck up the kids entire life instead.

And I know, that most parents are too stupid to see it. They can be well meaning, but that doesn't matter 20 years later.

@PunishedD @eidolon @LukeAlmighty @dave You have so much patience explaining such a basic concept to these stubborn mongoloids. Amazing.

@kj00 @PunishedD @eidolon @dave
> Spinster talking about raising kids.