man i swear to god if i had a good mic and a more subtle accent i'd love to just do a one time podcast with christi talking about this whole deal

because it's unironically interesting
sure probably most people are still not as tired as we are but things seem a bit different than what i've heard of the original GG
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@rlier23 That all seems sensible enough, though I don't necessarily think it explicitly addresses the biggest failings of GamerGate 1. My version of his list would be:

1) Victory at all costs - if the leftists win, video games will not only be completely ruined, but turn into a wretched tool for brainwashing the masses into accepting anti-White, misandrist and pro-pedophilia Evil, doing incalculable damage to society in the process. The lengths to which we are willing to go to destroy our Enemies should reflect that.

2) Our Enemy is Evil, and hurting Evil is Good. Concerns about "SJW Tactics" and "the backlash being excessive/the political pendulum swinging back too far right" are at best unhelpful and premature, and at worst subversive talking points pushed by infiltrators and grifters who want GG to be Controlled Opposition.

3) Opposing "Diversity" and "Inclusivity" is 100% legitimate. If you want to clarify that you *personally* only oppose to the likes of Sweet Baby Inc because their games and writing suck, make sure to not throw the anti-Diversity crowd under the bus in the process.

4) Never countersignal our "far-right extremists"/our shock troops. At worst, they keep the enemy busy and draw away enemy fire, at best they save vidya while you don't even have to get your hands dirty. Also, you will never get any credit for disavowing them, you will only draw attention to their supposed misdeeds while also being blamed for them.

5) While purityfagging is bad, some standards and red lines must be maintained. Games like Elden Ring and Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, while compromised, are still sufficiently worthwhile and relatively light on the poz that Based gamers of good faith can be free to disagree on their merits. People who desperately try to defend the likes of Baldur's Gate 3 or Nu God of Soy on the other hand, have gone Full Consoomer.

A couple of related suggestions - if you just HAVE to play some obviously pozzed game, accept it as a vice and a guilty pleasure, don't try to defend it or attack those criticizing that decision as extremists who hate fun and don't actually play vidya. Meanwhile, you people leaning more towards being "purityfags", recognize that there *is* some nuance and grey areas, as well as things some people can legitimately find more or less objectionable than others. Spending a lot of time attacking other gamers of good faith because they occasionally enjoy a high quality game that's -2 on the Based Morality Scale is not very constructive.

6) Most Centrists are worthless at best, and in any case respond better to something being the consensus/socially acceptable opinion (not really accessible to us) or shows of force/conviction (DEFINITELY accessible to us) than rational arguments or actual compromise/moderation/cuckery. Don't waste time pandering to Centrists.

FINAL NOTE: The immediate goal is hurting our Enemies and helping our Friends. Make sure attempts to pander to SJWs hurt both the gaming companies and the gaming e-celebs doing so, while rewarding those who ignore SJWs and ESPECIALLY those giving them the finger. We'll see where it goes from there, but be sure to take advantage of whatever openings emerge (like the SBI blacklist) to spread the word and recruit more people to our side.

@ChristiJunior @rlier23
Also:
Shut up about five guys!!!
You know what you care about. You care about wokeness and subversion, but if you do NOT care about some people fucking, do not let them drag you into these conversations.

@LukeAlmighty @rlier23 Five Guys is mostly just remembered as a joke nowadays, but to be fair, the reason people cared about it at the time was the fact that it exposed a whole new way in which gaming journos were corrupt, possibly explaining a lot of the outsized coverage that shitty indie non-games made by women have been getting over the years.

@ChristiJunior @rlier23
I am just watching a Short fat otaku convo with 5 people, and so far, they haven't touched anything else.

@LukeAlmighty @rlier23 I'm on the record considering Short Fat Otaku a worthless sack of shit and stopped watching anything by him many years ago, so I'm hardly up to date on his interests.
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He might be a fence sitter, but he's a well informed one, who also has enough of a brain to always have something worth listening to.

@ChristiJunior @rlier23
For instance, recently, I watched his video on skull girls, and I felt like vomiting the entire time.

He does have some mental blocks, but he's one of the most informed people on the culture war out there.

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior i disagree.

any salvageable points he makes can be heard from someone here without all the centrist drivel
@rlier23 Just try to get him to admit the current US federal administration is corrupt, or how our (in)justice system is two-tiered. The exchange he had with Sargon on ArchCast a few days ago was quite hilarious. Something about Canadians and their inability to see the state horribly fallible (source: A half-Canadian)

Credit where credit is due, he dives pretty deeply to find information and sometimes he finds stuff that I didn't know or have ever heard about. Yet at the end of it all he doesn't arrive at the right conclusion or still defends the obvious bad actors. There's some kind of worm in his brain.
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@Cayhr @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty again if i just want info i can search for it myself without having the displeasure of having the hear his retarded ramblings and "muh nuance" when he's pretty obviously defending bad people
@rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr He's friends with trannies, has openly stated he's sexually attracted to them, and has catfished as a woman.

@justnormalkorean @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr
Yes, I know he's objectively wrong on the troon question, but this is the reason why the right cannot mobilize.

You cannot accept even someone THIS hard working, because he agrees only 80 percent instead of 100.

@LukeAlmighty @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr It's 40% if that. Troons want to chop off kids dicks. That's something we shouldn't want within our movement or whatever gay shit we're calling it now.
@justnormalkorean @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr i'd go lower, around 10%

he only agrees to not messing with kids because ffs that's fucked up even for a troon love like him


but jesus christ did you see how fast he went to jump to defend the journo scum from a few mean messages but not long before he was defending all the troons that harrassed pikamee(someone who could be described as an internet cinnamon roll) over the fucking wizzard game?

he then went and called pika weak when she graduated from her company

dev is FUCKING FAGGOT CENTRIST AND I REFUSE TO SEE HIM AS AN ALLY

I DON'T CARE IF WE AGREE ON SOME REALLY EXTREME POINTS IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY BACK THEN I DON'T WANT YOU NEAR ME OR MY FRIENDS
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@rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr He only picked a fight with vtuber fans because Lilith Lovett is his friend and he wants his dick.
@skylar @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr It was kicking her while she was down. When people tried explaining why he was wrong he doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down. It was pretty odd to say the least.
@justnormalkorean @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @skylar @Cayhr yeah, for someone who parades himself on "listening to both sides of the argument" he sure seemed pretty adamant on chastizing a neet girl who never got into trouble up until that point
@rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @skylar @justnormalkorean @Cayhr strange that "centrists" still have a clearly defined friend/enemy distinction isnt it!
The only thing "centrists" are in the center of is one side is their friends and the other their enemies

@Vidmastereon @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @skylar @justnormalkorean @Cayhr There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road But Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos

More specifically with less color, "centrists" in general practice the old "No friends to the right, no enemies to the left" principle.

@justnormalkorean @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr i dont care if it is 99.999% supporting transexualism benyond the ambivalent "live and let live" stance is a hard line in the sand for me
@LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr the question you need to be asking is why would i even want him on my side in the first place?
We know he will flake out when we need him to defend us and tie our hands back when we need to go on the offensive

Jia wthinks that we are too far in thinking that objectively bad TLers like katrina and blaustein should be driven out of the industry on a rail and is completely "unaware" of DIE initiatives calling us obsessed when we point them out and go after them? wow he is such a useful friend because he occassionally attacks bad Tls (without names attached to them)!

People like nob keep jia around and fraternize with him because they implicitly know that as a "friend" to us he is harmless to them and only a detriment to us

These people make better enemies than friends so why not treat them as such?
@Vidmastereon @rlier23 @LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @Cayhr >We know he will flake out when we need him to defend us and tie our hands back when we need to go on the offensive

I just made a similar point, but I see that you already put more succinctly and memorably :cat_cheers:
@LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @rlier23 @Cayhr First of all, the Tranny Question is the single best litmus test we have for distinguishing Friend from Centrist/Grifter/Foe – it cuts to the heart of whether you value Truth over “Niceness”, of how willing you are to support straight White males over Protected Minorities, and if you’re vulnerable to leftist emotional blackmail or not. “Anti-SJW” e-celebs who are tranny-affirming always end up stabbing us in the back when we need them the most.

Also, *is* Short Fat Otaku on our side in any meaningful way? Does he even support Trump, or in any way work towards moving the Overton Window rightwards? Gently poking fun at the most obviously ridiculous, retarded SJWs means nothing – such content can be both regime-approved and GloboHomo-friendly. “Anti-SJW Centrists”, by so often treating evil, genocidal anti-White leftists as well-intentioned, but silly people, while reserving all their true vitriol, contempt and mockery for the “far-right”, act as classic Controlled Opposition.

Nor do I think that such people do more good than harm by “helping Redpill people”. Imagine you have previously apolitical gamer, who reaches his breaking point when yet another franchise is ruined by an influx of niggers, faggots and feminists. He goes online to vent his frustration, only to stumble upon an e-celeb talking about the very thing he’s angry about – only that the message he gets from the e-celeb is garbage like “this is only bad because it’s Forced Diversity, but Real Diversity is good!”, “this isn’t about politics, this is about incompetence/bad writing” and “never harass the people responsible, don’t try to get them fired or blacklisted, take the Moral High Ground!”. What you’ve now done is taken real, powerful anger and frustration, and muffled it, misdirected it, reinforced GloboHomo brainwashing and even put further mental chains on that angry gamer guy. He’s not on the road to the Redpill, he has potentially had his political evolution retarded and been set back several years.

Professional Centrists, whether knowingly or unwittingly, exist to PREVENT people from Noticing, PREVENT them from connecting the dots, PREVENT them from taking their blossoming anti-SJW beliefs to their logical conclusion. Now, there is nuance – during GamerGate, I thought that someone like Sargon distributed enough genuinely useful knowledge and pushed enough legitimately effective talking points to overall do more good than harm (and lo and behold, Sargon actually underwent a very real and encouraging radicalization based on his experiences and freshly acquired knowledge). MundaneMatt, aka Matt Jarbo on the other hand, was always a useless sack of shit. As for SFO, he lied and LARPed a lot, but from what I understand he may have done some good digging/investigations – but his personal beliefs and analysis were always shit. In such cases, make use of the good (the new intel), and ignore the bad (never waste time listening to his personal opinions). Or alternative, if he himself refuses to untangle the two, only listen to him so you can provide TL;DR summaries later on (Short Fat Otaku – I watch him, so you don’t have to!).

But returning to the whole “turning away people from our side” argument, I’d like to close on this: Even ignoring all the bad things I have to say about SFO, I doubt that he would embrace a tranny-despising, “SJW Tactics”-advocating White Nationalist like me, so why should I make any effort to embrace him? As long as these people gleefully, eagerly Punch Right, I’m just as happy to keep Punching Left.
@ChristiJunior @rlier23 @LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @Cayhr
I think you're right, but because the tranny question is the lowest common denominator.
Most centrists and - for example - terfs are against the troon menace.
Only hardcore leftists or complete propaganda victims are tranny confirming.
@ChristiJunior @rlier23 @LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @Cayhr
>garbage like “this is only bad because it’s Forced Diversity, but Real Diversity is good!”
Reminds me of the “troons are not the problem, the problem is people pretending to be troons, troons are the real victims!” niggers.
@mikuphile @rlier23 @LukeAlmighty @justnormalkorean @Cayhr Or even worse: "The real problem with all these mega-corporations promoting pedo Groomer faggotry is that they aren't actually being sincere about it, they just do it to virtue signal and pad their profits."
@ChristiJunior @rlier23 @LukeAlmighty @mikuphile @justnormalkorean @Cayhr Reminder that I became a proud owner of SFO's micro dick pics, because some faggot from a splinter board shared them with /cow/. GG 1.0 had huge problem with colorful characters joining in and hollowing it out outside of the /v/ general.
@LukeAlmighty @Cayhr @justnormalkorean @rlier23 Of course, with Short Fat Otaku it's not just that he supports pedo Groomer tranny scum, which is already unforgivable IMO. But junk like this, completely unrelated to the troon issue, is EXACTLY the kind of bullshit that sunk GamerGate 1:

https://detroitriotcity.com/notice/AfesxYZsNH8FeR77i4

I'll keep repeating this, because it's important: Never countersignal our "far-right extremists"/our shock troops. At worst, they keep the enemy busy and draw away enemy fire, at best they save vidya while you don't even have to get your hands dirty. Also, you will never get any credit for disavowing them, you will only draw attention to their supposed misdeeds while also being blamed for them. It's been 10 fucking years, and this faggot still hasn't learned this lesson.

In fact, him seemingly still being the exact same fence-sitting faggot that he was 10 years ago raises a whole bunch of red flags. 10 years ago, *I* was on the center-left. 4 years of GamerGate Redpills transformed Sargon from a leftist wannabe-game dev to a "far-right" political candidate. The completely lack of growth and evolution on the part of SFO tells me that he is either 1) extremely slow and stupid, like, MAGA Boomers still trusting Andrew Torba and Gab-levels of dim, or 2) that he's a Professional Centrist whose whole e-celeb grift relies on him ALWAYS being a fence-sitter, and SJWs always being relevant and influential, allowing him to keep gently poking fun at the SJWs while in reality just helping consolidate all of the Left's recent gains. Note that I'm not saying he's important enough to actually be controlled by GloboHomo, just that he realizes how the game is played and prioritizes his payday over principles.

Also, you keep talking about how hard-working and knowledgeable he is. Hard-working how? Knowledgeable to what end? Clearly whatever content he's putting out isn't spicy or important enough that he's getting deplatformed the way pro-White people are - hell, his work is apparently so harmless and inoffensive that fucking BRIANNA WU/John Flynt either follows him, or hasn't seen it necessary to block him:

https://detroitriotcity.com/notice/Afj3c9LQ9IvP6uTz60

I'd argue that someone like Wu would consider anyone doing actual, valuable work an Existential Threat, blocking him if not reporting him to the police. As for him being knowledgeable - you mean in terms actually linking the anti-gamer agenda to leftist donors, organizations, thinkers and ideology, being aware of and explaining how the Replacement of White characters in games mirrors the IRL Great Replacement in White countries, or awareness about the overrepresentation of certain Rootless Cosmopolitans among our enemies - or in terms of him potentially doing really well at a GamerGate trivia quiz? Because spreading the former knowledge is far more valuable than remembering every single E-tier microcelebrity who has ever been involved in GamerGate.
Awright cuh so whachoo be sayin n sheeit is that I be makin dat deah oh-rihj-jihn-nul cawntent, like we wuz duh rijnuhl kangz n what have you if I may pro-ceed my nig-gaaaah. :animu_nod:
I like sfo, but he's a perfect example of someone who is wrong about shit.

If I gotta hate people for being wrong about shit, I've got to hate myself first because I was wrong for a long time about a lot of things.
@ForbiddenDreamer @justnormalkorean @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @Cayhr They don't understand. it's like how the monsters got more energy when they made the kids laugh instead of scream. It works the same way for our JO crystals.
oh, im out of the loop on that lol. Please ignore my non sequitur post about GG Allin
@rlier23 Yeah, I get you. It's just, for the first few times I did ever listen to him, I could only acknowledge that he went into depth on his diggings.

But like you said, can get it somewhere else, minus him :vajra_smug:
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@rlier23 @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty I now can't believe I spent so many hours of my life watching people I barely agree with babble coping.

I always avoided spotsball blather and talk radio. it irritates me to be around people who saturate their space with blather.

For a minute I was better informed tuning into altcasts, but the enrichment to time wasted ratio went south long before I stopped subjecting myself to conto oppo.

at least infected fiction can contain novel artistic elements.
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