@phnt
Hard to imagine. Ano pushed the green deal through, and started colplaining about it the verry same day :D (One of two reason, why I consider Babiš man to be unelectable for me).

But when it comes to SPD, I see no issue with complaining about the current state of immigration for instance. Leave EU is the solution, so why do people pretend, like it's not?

@LukeAlmighty Leaving EU isn't the solution (for now), because that would put a halt to anything that is public infrastructure and money related. You never realized how many building reconstructions, road repairs and much more are partially payed from EU funds? We don't have an economy powerful enough for keeping our infrastructure functioning, we aren't self-sufficient on almost all resources and food especially. We still get more money from EU funds than we put into EU funds. Leaving EU _now_ would put the economy in stagnation at best and likely into deep regression.

NATO is basically the same. Leaving an alliance that gives us almost free protection in current world tensions is stupid when our army budget can't even provide clothing for soldiers. Almost everybody in the army buys some of their gear from armyshops, because the army won't give it to you.
One such example is boots. The army has to provide new ones on a yearly basis. The catch? They are destroyed after 3-4 months.

Lastly immigration was a problem 5 years ago, every Ukrainian that came here is here legally thanks to the current government's policies. EU wasn't involved in that and in fact probably pays us due to the sheer number of them. At least there was some talk about that few months ago.

We aren't in the same position as Poland that can go nationalistic in it's views whenever they want, it requires preparation.

@phnt
> Nato
Yes, leaving nato is retarded.

> Food
Did I say we should stop all trading with the rest of the world? EU is not a requirement for trading with the states inside of it. It's the bloat that is the problem, but literally all benefits can be re-built.

> . You never realized how many building reconstructions, road repairs and much more are partially payed from EU funds?

Yes, that is the problem... If EU steals our money, and then gives them back, that crerates an illusion of dependance. But, not only do I HATE socialistic redistribution of wealth, but it cal also be done locally without the need to send the money to the EU fonds first.

@LukeAlmighty
>EU is not a requirement for trading with the states inside of it.
It almost is, if there aren't any agreements with every state/state in the middle of the transaction you intend to trade with, because the EU will immediately go butthurt and enforce it's stupidly high tariffs like it does with Japanese cars for example (to protect garbage like Volkswagen). In EU trade, there are zero tariffs. In the end you still will pay tariffs with them.

>If EU steals our money, and then gives them back, that crerates an illusion of dependance.
It doesn't create an illusion of dependance. It isn't an illusion when it's the reality. The reality that we leech more than give back in total. When that difference is almost zero or negative we can talk about an illusion of dependance.

@phnt
> The reality that we leech more than give back in total.

And, we cannot use it effectively, so it's pointless. No matter how much money I give you for solar farms, it won't fix car industry.