@ChristiJunior
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I have never before agreed with a leftie meme this much, but in this case, you are right on the money.

Same. And I've been working remote for a few years. There are honestly times when I do miss some things about the office. With my co-workers all across the ocean and having 8am meetings, it makes co-location spaces really impractical too. It's also interesting how companies are saving money on facilities and those costs are now included by the remote worker out of their paycheck.

But Musk is a single man whose entire value is getting other people to do what he wants. His visions are dependent on other people believing in it. And there is some value to that. He and others like him were born into wealth, but there are others born into that prosperity that cannot generate another generation of wealth. So there's something to that, but at the same time ... dude wouldn't know the first thing about building a fuel transfer system for a rocket. I doubt he'd be able to really learn it either.

@djsumdog @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty Elon Musk really has the Steve Jobs grindset going, mixed in with some techbro 'ism.

Steve Jobs was infamously similar, and so was the 2000s VW CEO. They wanted something to happen, they would make it happen, and they didn't care about the cost of it. You would help it happen. I heard that the reason multitouch displays boomed was Steve Jobs was against the resistive touch "stylus" screens of the 00s and wanted to have a natural touchscreen at any cost.

You could say the same at how Tesla made EVs big, combined with the diesel scandals of the mid 2010s making countries and politicans bet on it. He was the idea guy, but he had the money and could recruit people to "make it happen" including people who were in his cult of personality.

@PurpCat @ChristiJunior @djsumdog @LukeAlmighty It's "fuck you" money joined with the tenacity to say "fuck you."

@Coyote @ChristiJunior @djsumdog @LukeAlmighty Well that's why Steve Jobs did what he did even if half his ideas were genuinely stupid.

Steve Jobs had an aversion to color in his computers until the market forces told him you need color. Ditto with active cooling.

@PurpCat @ChristiJunior @djsumdog @LukeAlmighty The phenotype's tendency to stick with strange and stupid ideas is why when they're successful they are super successful; they're high risk, high reward personified.

@Coyote @ChristiJunior @djsumdog @LukeAlmighty The VW CEO of the 00s was also famous for this.

V10 diesel SUVs that needed an engine drop to change an alternator? Cars that didn't have DEF tanks and ended up both failing emission tests and killing the DPFs? Having multiple high-end vanity brands like Bugatti, Bentley, Porsche, and Lambo under one roof? The W8 Passat and making a luxury car under the VW brand? The high-mpg XL1 that was a low production car?

So much of this shit was vanity project related or just engineering dick flexing, but it was unsustainable and the next CEO would end up with his problems and boy were they huge. Now VW is just German Nissan, especially as they go all in on the EV fad and sales are low. They literally had a high-profile union threatening to strike, only deciding to only cut 35,000 employees in the end to avoid one.

https://www.electrive.com/2024/10/11/vw-electric-deliveries-down-by-ten-per-cent/
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/vw-union-agree-cut-35000-jobs-germany-avert-strikes-2024-12-20/

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior Gally reaction image spotted in the wild

Never forget that the identity politics messaging was ramped up after Occupy Wall Street because it was the first time in decades that corpo ghouls felt fear. It was the product of an urgent need to distract the people from coming to a consensus on who the true enemy is.

@Hoss @LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior Yeah his obsessive hatred clouds his judgement

Years of clouding your judgement with nonstop seething can knock double-digits off your IQ.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty I mean you can kinda understand why he's so mad. He's acredited scientist nobody and Elon is conning people with grand stupid ideas

Elon's grift has survived all this time because for every ten of his retarded failed promises, his loyal wagie armies occasionally deliver him a W that vindicates the cultists. Like when Starlink went online and actually worked, or when they successfully caught the reusable rocket booster.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @egirlyuumimain
Except, when considering what he's doing, 1 in 10 is a miracle number.

That's why I have a real issue with calling him a scammer on these projects. Even though, some of the projects do seem like it, after they failed, I have to compare the failures to restarting space race and changing the way people see automotive industry.

You never fail if you never try. People who never try don't understand this.

@gentoobro @ChristiJunior @egirlyuumimain @Hoss
I preffer the phrasing of:
A master has failed more times then you even tried.

Well said. I'm going to steal that in the future.

Being able to occasionally deliver is why he gets to keep making his trademark grand promises.

And deliver massively.

Elon has failed ten times for every one of his wild successes, whereas most people never achieve a tiny fraction of what Elon has despite also not starting failed businesses. Regardless of what you may think about his other activities or philosophies, Elon has advanced spaceflight more than anyone since von Braun, and by a huge margin, and he's still going. You can criticize him on a lot of points, but he's objectively an excellent businessman.

Jealousy eats people alive.

Bill Gates was an objectively gifted programmer and a ruthlessly successful businessman, but I don't worship him for it.

@Hoss @gentoobro @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty So true

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @gentoobro there is a major difference between him and bill and while yes you can say their absolutely proprietary software policies make them similar its like comparing a red ant to one of those mexican death ants. Elons proprietary policies could be said to be a product of the status quo that Bill initated. For fucks sake Bill made the whole embrace extend extinguish model. And thats just the software side of things, in terms of the millions/billions hes put towards questionable medical solutions to buying up tons of farmland, to funding wef efforts its mountains more damage to the world that he has done compared to Elon.

I wasn't comparing them in that way, I just used Gates as an example of how a tech baron isn't worthy of my respect just because he's gifted and accomplished.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @gentoobro o

@hancoktom41 @ChristiJunior @egirlyuumimain @Hoss @gentoobro
Elon even at his most insane just wants people to live at their work...

Meanwhile, Bill literally has public talks about reducing population through vaccinations. They are not the same.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkfWaCzsas

@LukeAlmighty @hancoktom41 @ChristiJunior @Hoss @gentoobro I mean Bill is just straight up evil. Elon is just a conman

I think Elon first and foremost has conned himself. I think he truly believes what he says. He's rather autistic.

mexican death ants

One time a flying giant leafcutter ant crawled into my sock overnight and I put it on the next morning. It was rather terrifying. Fortunately, they don't bite.

The ant situation here is much better than it is in Florida. Fire ants are the worst.

Nobody should worship anyone else, regardless of talent or success. That being said, DOS and early Windows made a lot of retarded technical decisions. If Bill was responsible for them, his programming skills are extremely suspect.

I think Gates was more involved with the business side of Microsoft by the time Windows came around. In the really early days he pulled off some impressive feats with Paul Allen, like bringing BASIC to the Altair when nobody thought it could be done on the Intel 8080.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty Throw enough shit at a wall and somethings bound to stick

tbf though, when the promises you make are so huge, any one W would be enough for most people to build an entire career off of.

But you have to take Elon for what he is: It's a complicated mess of things, good and bad and all over the place. He's a capitalist, but he's only the world's richest man because he's a crony capitalist. He was a darling of the left for creating the useless EV industry, but he's a darling of the right for taking over Twitter and making some boomer tier tweets. He helped Trump get elected, but he's still a neoliberal who wants to import unlimited cheap labor. He lies a lot about his projects, but some of his projects have been knock it out of the park successes.

And you can just go "Oh, well those projects weren't from him", but I've seen how you can have a lot of technologies that never get off the ground despite being ready to go for decades, and it seems like a surprising number of techs do actually get to market under Elon, so while he might not be what people treat him like, he's obviously got the right stuff in his head to get things done when they're actually possible.

So friend or foe? He's more like an unpredictable 800 pound gorilla.

@sj_zero @Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty He's our Thomas Edison

@sj_zero @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @Hoss Elon Musk was a Reddit darling until his kid got a sex change.

Keep in mind, he made everything a Reddit-brained NPC would find cool. EVs that don't need gasoline and can go fast from a standstill and have tech gadgets inside like in the sci-fi movies (pushing the "tech gadgets in cars" meme)? Rocket launches to eventually go to space again? Heckin cool d00d.

Ironically, his son probably trooned out as a consequence of his Reddit-brained inclination to do anything but be a parent that's present in the lives of his kids.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero >pumping kids and leaving them with baby mamas

He should be the CEO of Nissan.

@PurpCat @Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @sj_zero He really is a nigger deadbeat dad and all

He might as well buy it, $11.1 billion is a rounding error for him. His net worth fluctuated $12.7 billion today alone.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero the problem is it's Japan and they are sketched as shit about the last foreign Nissan CEO (and foreign CEOs in general, see the Olympus scandal).

French automaker Nissan, who brings shame to the entire nation for pretending to be Japanese

@sj_zero @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @Hoss That was Carlos Ghosn, and part of the theory for why they forced him out and had him arrested was that he wanted Renault to take them over entirely.

Turns out Ghosn wasn't as stupid as the Japanese made him believe and they want to merge with Honda now.

I can't imagine Ghosn was a paragon of virtue, but it was clear they wanted to make him the fall guy.

@Hoss @PurpCat @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero to be fair reddit used to be semi decent before the tumblr migration. Id say what happened there probably was more of a result of 'cord.

Reddit fully died after special sanctions were placed on /r/Drama in a feeble attempt to prevent what was left of the platform's immune system from doing its job.

@Hoss @PurpCat @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero id say it goes farther back from when they removed r/frenworld

It had been on the decline for years prior to that. The funny part was how incensed the admins became when they realized we had successfully migrated offsite. How dare we take our ball and leave, right?

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @hancoktom41 @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero Migrating offsite is their core weakness, kind of like during 8chan's golden days (before the Trump election, before Infinity Never, etc.) how they managed to suck up a lot of the better 4chan posters.

Of course imageboards are completely dead thanks to various factors internal and external (why do you think the dead internet theory exists, it started on 4chan), but Reddit wasn't dead and so users had an actual plan they were able to carry out and execute well.

rDrama's biggest weakness is that Aevann is too friendly with the tranny faction. The offsite's golden age was during that first year when there was more balance between the chuds and troons because it was good for bootstrapping user growth.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @hancoktom41 @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero furry faction now from the looks of it

There's significant overlap.

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @hancoktom41 @egirlyuumimain @sj_zero furries always have been a force in trolling communities because they get pissed off at the other furries (this is real btw)

@Hoss @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @egirlyuumimain @hancoktom41 @sj_zero lmao went to rdrama found furries
https://rdrama.net/post/327958/case-study-gaymers-actually-want-sexy

@PurpCat @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @hancoktom41 @egirlyuumimain @Hoss @sj_zero I went there expecting to see Atlyss and was not disappointed. The gameplay for it is actually really, really tight. I never played PSO1 but I have friends that did and they said it's very similar.

It's the autism. Same reason you run into furries in political extremes of practically every flavor.