Nuremberg (2025)
1/2
I watched that Nuremberg movie today and I gotta say, I’m very confused; I just don’t get why HollyJew would put out this flick. I mean, I can absolutely see why they would make a propaganda piece about the Nuremberg trials – but this isn’t a movie generally about that particular miscarriage of justice, it’s instead primarily a movie about the prosecution of Hermann Göring. Which, again, is why I’m so confused, because by focusing on Göring you’re almost inevitably going to end up with a movie where the Nazis ultimately “win”, at least from a dramatic point of view.
I’m especially confused about why they’d cast Russell Crowe as the Reich Marshal, because while the New Zealand-born actor might not quite be the towering figuring in cinema that he was 20 years ago, he’s still a big name who has built up tons of good will with moviegoers over the years. Even more importantly, he’s one of the few truly masculine mainstream actors left – even if you put him in a Fat Suit, Crowe is still gonna come across as far more of a Real Man that pretty much anyone else Modern Hollywood can pair him with – and the Testosterone Gap becomes even more extreme when he’s pitted up against someone as creepy and awkward as Rami Malek, who plays US army psychiatrist Douglas Kelley, tasked getting into Göring’s head and ensuring that he doesn’t kill himself before the Allies can.
Beyond just physiognomy and aura, the critical problem with Kelly as our protagonist and big foil to Göring is that his whole character arc involves him repeatedly violating doctor-patient privilege (supposedly for the greater good) and committing various acts of personal betrayal to sabotage Göring’s ability to defend himself (wait, I thought that was the whole point of this trial?). We’re obviously meant to cheer this on, because Nazis are the Ultimate Evil, but I actually think that Normal people are naturally repulsed by lies and betrayal – at least normal White people are.
Meanwhile, Göring is never truly caught in a lie – while the movie certainly strongly suggests that he was lying about not knowing about the Holocaust, he’s never truly exposed as a liar and a fraud. Sure, we’re MEANT to hate him because Nazi Leader, and because we’re shown extensive footage from the death camps, but on a purely psychological level (how ironic), I think many if not most people will have a stronger emotional response to witnessing despicable acts being carried out against individuals than seeing countless corpses we know nothing about. Especially since, you know, Göring never actually killed any of those people – while Kelly DID pretend to be looking out for Göring’s wife and daughter even after the Americans had arrested them in a petty act of vengeance.
The movie’s third major character, US Supreme Court Justice and Nuremberg Prosecutor Robert Jackson, initially comes across as noble and high-minded, but as the movie goes on he’s steadily diminished as a paragon of principle, and then his big confrontation with Göring ends on such a disastrous note that I can’t help but be reminded of Biden’s 2024 debate with Trump…but more on that later.
Indeed, the only character who actually WORKS as an anti-Nazi hero is the very Aryan-looking German-born US soldier and interpreter Howie Triest, who actually turns out to be Jewish. His personal story is compelling, he displays great physical courage and patriotism, and when he has the chance to kick a particular Nazi leader while he’s down (a moment he had in fact long looked forward to), he instead decides to be the bigger man. I can’t help but think that if Hollywood still had its finger on the American public's pulse to at least SOME extent, this movie would have been far more focused on Howie Triest than on the exceptionally unethical psychiatrist.
1/2
I watched that Nuremberg movie today and I gotta say, I’m very confused; I just don’t get why HollyJew would put out this flick. I mean, I can absolutely see why they would make a propaganda piece about the Nuremberg trials – but this isn’t a movie generally about that particular miscarriage of justice, it’s instead primarily a movie about the prosecution of Hermann Göring. Which, again, is why I’m so confused, because by focusing on Göring you’re almost inevitably going to end up with a movie where the Nazis ultimately “win”, at least from a dramatic point of view.
I’m especially confused about why they’d cast Russell Crowe as the Reich Marshal, because while the New Zealand-born actor might not quite be the towering figuring in cinema that he was 20 years ago, he’s still a big name who has built up tons of good will with moviegoers over the years. Even more importantly, he’s one of the few truly masculine mainstream actors left – even if you put him in a Fat Suit, Crowe is still gonna come across as far more of a Real Man that pretty much anyone else Modern Hollywood can pair him with – and the Testosterone Gap becomes even more extreme when he’s pitted up against someone as creepy and awkward as Rami Malek, who plays US army psychiatrist Douglas Kelley, tasked getting into Göring’s head and ensuring that he doesn’t kill himself before the Allies can.
Beyond just physiognomy and aura, the critical problem with Kelly as our protagonist and big foil to Göring is that his whole character arc involves him repeatedly violating doctor-patient privilege (supposedly for the greater good) and committing various acts of personal betrayal to sabotage Göring’s ability to defend himself (wait, I thought that was the whole point of this trial?). We’re obviously meant to cheer this on, because Nazis are the Ultimate Evil, but I actually think that Normal people are naturally repulsed by lies and betrayal – at least normal White people are.
Meanwhile, Göring is never truly caught in a lie – while the movie certainly strongly suggests that he was lying about not knowing about the Holocaust, he’s never truly exposed as a liar and a fraud. Sure, we’re MEANT to hate him because Nazi Leader, and because we’re shown extensive footage from the death camps, but on a purely psychological level (how ironic), I think many if not most people will have a stronger emotional response to witnessing despicable acts being carried out against individuals than seeing countless corpses we know nothing about. Especially since, you know, Göring never actually killed any of those people – while Kelly DID pretend to be looking out for Göring’s wife and daughter even after the Americans had arrested them in a petty act of vengeance.
The movie’s third major character, US Supreme Court Justice and Nuremberg Prosecutor Robert Jackson, initially comes across as noble and high-minded, but as the movie goes on he’s steadily diminished as a paragon of principle, and then his big confrontation with Göring ends on such a disastrous note that I can’t help but be reminded of Biden’s 2024 debate with Trump…but more on that later.
Indeed, the only character who actually WORKS as an anti-Nazi hero is the very Aryan-looking German-born US soldier and interpreter Howie Triest, who actually turns out to be Jewish. His personal story is compelling, he displays great physical courage and patriotism, and when he has the chance to kick a particular Nazi leader while he’s down (a moment he had in fact long looked forward to), he instead decides to be the bigger man. I can’t help but think that if Hollywood still had its finger on the American public's pulse to at least SOME extent, this movie would have been far more focused on Howie Triest than on the exceptionally unethical psychiatrist.
2/2
As for the big climax of the movie, it almost beggars belief: after spending a lot of time building up a doctor-patient relation with Göring and even fostering an unlikely friendship with the man, Kelly hands all their private conversations, as well as his analysis of Göring’s personality and weaknesses over to Robert Jackson, the man prosecuting Göring, in order to ensure that the trial has the Correct outcome. And then somehow Jackson STILL ends up being utterly destroyed by the Reich Marshal! How does that even happen? How can you lose so badly at such a thoroughly rigged game? In the end it is Jackson’s British counterpart who has to bail the American out, by asking such groundbreaking questions as “how could such a high-ranking German leader not know about the Holocaust?” and “knowing what you do now, do you still support Hitler?”. Jackson really couldn’t think to ask about any of that himself? And here I though Ketanji Brown Jackson was the first Justice Jackson who’s literally Retarded
The writing is at various points truly atrocious – it’s obvious from the very beginning that the decree authorizing the Final Solution could be read as simply mandating Mass Expulsion of Jews (hardly a novel concept), yet when Göring mentions the part about emigration *which anyone with a pair of brain cells to rub together had already made note of when the document was first read out loud*, it’s portrayed as this Shocking reveal. Also, do you think Rudolf Hess might be lying about having plum forgotten that he was ever a Nazi leader and even knew Göring? Hmm, I don’t know, maybe that incident of him publicly greeting Göring with a proud Sieg Heil might just give us a clue? Nah, it’s still a mystery that we need Göring’s help to solve – which he does by bringing up THAT VERY SIEG HEIL INCIDENT THAT EVERYBODY HAD ALREADY FUCKING SEEN BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN FUCKING PUBLIC! Am I missing something here, or are the writers just as retarded as Justice Jackson 1 & 2?
Oh, and there’s at least THREE ridiculous instances of characters Tempting Fate followed by instant Punchlines that are played so straight that you’d think this is a comedy – which kinda, sorta goes poorly together with the extensive Holocaust footage we’re shown later on. The tonal whiplash can be quite severe, especially given the extremely bleak note that the movie ends on.
Of course, I couldn’t really have expected more from a movie whose opening scene shows an American solider literally pissing on the Swastika. As someone who could be fairly labeled a Nazi sympathizer, that doesn’t even succeed in offending me, it’s just genuinely sad, on par with a suicidal tranny child molester throwing around the incel slur. Peak “these writers should go on strike to get paid better” Moment.
In the end, focusing this Nuremberg movie on Göring doesn’t work (at least from HollyJew’s perspective) because Göring eventually ends up “winning”: he pulls off his great magic trick and escapes the hangman’s noose, and yes, the movie is not at all shy about acknowledging this as a big fat L for the Allies. And as a historical bonus, everything Göring said during his venomous verbal confrontation with Douglas Kelley ends up coming true – in fact, Kelley’s post-Göring life turns out to be even more miserable than what the National Socialist martyr had predicted!
The movie DOES seemingly try to wring some catharsis out of Julius Streicher’s execution, but it never actually took the time to build Streicher up as this big Hate Sink villain, and so his pitiful state and botched execution just makes the Nuremberg trials come across as barbaric Victor’s Justice – which is of course exactly what it was, but surely that wasn’t what the audience was actually meant to take away from this film! I guess Hollywood’s shitlib anti-death penalty bias is so deep-rooted that they can’t even turn the execution of Nazi leaders into a triumphant moment.
As for Based Morality, it’s a bit of a tough one, though I ultimately think -2/+1 is reasonably fair. This isn’t another American History X, where the Nazi “villain” actually gets to make a full, fact-based case for his ideology (Hollywood has long since learned that lesson), and “Nuremberg” doesn’t even dare honestly examine awkward WW2 facts like Stalin being a bigger mass murderer than Hitler, or all the Allied war crimes committed against Germany (the nuking of Japan is mentioned, but not all the Area Bombings of Germany and Japan that preceded the two nuclear bombs, and which on the whole killed FAR more civilians). HollyJew also couldn’t resist their classic anti-Christian smear (Pope Pius XII totally supported Hitler goys!), and Douglas Kelley’s ending monologue is somehow both excessively subtle AND extremely blatant about suggesting that Trump and MAGA are the modern Nazis.
That said, this also a movie that doesn’t demonize the Nazi leaders, and indeed, explicitly warns against doing. Göring ultimately comes across far more positively that the filmmakers presumably intended, and even though the movie is too cowardly to mention that the man was a World War I fighter pilot ace (seriously, it actually talks more about what Hitler did during WW1!), he still comes across as a Great Man who can only be beaten through dishonorable means. Even with regard to his Fat Fuck status, Göring is shown dramatically improving his physical shape while in prison.
Ultimately, I don’t really know who this movie is for: it’s not an effective Takedown of Göring, nor a penetrating portrait of the man, it’s not a stirring celebration of the Nuremberg trials and International Law, and it’s not boldly correcting the historical record. It’s also way too poorly written to qualify as a good movie, even though I certainly found it both entertaining and absorbing. Ultimately “Nuremberg” is something of a mess, and doesn’t really bode well for the ability of Jews to keep the Holocaust Grift going during an age when almost all the survivors have croaked, while Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Don’t expect Muh International Law to ever hold Benjamin Netanyahu accountable for HIS crimes though!
As for the big climax of the movie, it almost beggars belief: after spending a lot of time building up a doctor-patient relation with Göring and even fostering an unlikely friendship with the man, Kelly hands all their private conversations, as well as his analysis of Göring’s personality and weaknesses over to Robert Jackson, the man prosecuting Göring, in order to ensure that the trial has the Correct outcome. And then somehow Jackson STILL ends up being utterly destroyed by the Reich Marshal! How does that even happen? How can you lose so badly at such a thoroughly rigged game? In the end it is Jackson’s British counterpart who has to bail the American out, by asking such groundbreaking questions as “how could such a high-ranking German leader not know about the Holocaust?” and “knowing what you do now, do you still support Hitler?”. Jackson really couldn’t think to ask about any of that himself? And here I though Ketanji Brown Jackson was the first Justice Jackson who’s literally Retarded
The writing is at various points truly atrocious – it’s obvious from the very beginning that the decree authorizing the Final Solution could be read as simply mandating Mass Expulsion of Jews (hardly a novel concept), yet when Göring mentions the part about emigration *which anyone with a pair of brain cells to rub together had already made note of when the document was first read out loud*, it’s portrayed as this Shocking reveal. Also, do you think Rudolf Hess might be lying about having plum forgotten that he was ever a Nazi leader and even knew Göring? Hmm, I don’t know, maybe that incident of him publicly greeting Göring with a proud Sieg Heil might just give us a clue? Nah, it’s still a mystery that we need Göring’s help to solve – which he does by bringing up THAT VERY SIEG HEIL INCIDENT THAT EVERYBODY HAD ALREADY FUCKING SEEN BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN FUCKING PUBLIC! Am I missing something here, or are the writers just as retarded as Justice Jackson 1 & 2?
Oh, and there’s at least THREE ridiculous instances of characters Tempting Fate followed by instant Punchlines that are played so straight that you’d think this is a comedy – which kinda, sorta goes poorly together with the extensive Holocaust footage we’re shown later on. The tonal whiplash can be quite severe, especially given the extremely bleak note that the movie ends on.
Of course, I couldn’t really have expected more from a movie whose opening scene shows an American solider literally pissing on the Swastika. As someone who could be fairly labeled a Nazi sympathizer, that doesn’t even succeed in offending me, it’s just genuinely sad, on par with a suicidal tranny child molester throwing around the incel slur. Peak “these writers should go on strike to get paid better” Moment.
In the end, focusing this Nuremberg movie on Göring doesn’t work (at least from HollyJew’s perspective) because Göring eventually ends up “winning”: he pulls off his great magic trick and escapes the hangman’s noose, and yes, the movie is not at all shy about acknowledging this as a big fat L for the Allies. And as a historical bonus, everything Göring said during his venomous verbal confrontation with Douglas Kelley ends up coming true – in fact, Kelley’s post-Göring life turns out to be even more miserable than what the National Socialist martyr had predicted!
The movie DOES seemingly try to wring some catharsis out of Julius Streicher’s execution, but it never actually took the time to build Streicher up as this big Hate Sink villain, and so his pitiful state and botched execution just makes the Nuremberg trials come across as barbaric Victor’s Justice – which is of course exactly what it was, but surely that wasn’t what the audience was actually meant to take away from this film! I guess Hollywood’s shitlib anti-death penalty bias is so deep-rooted that they can’t even turn the execution of Nazi leaders into a triumphant moment.
As for Based Morality, it’s a bit of a tough one, though I ultimately think -2/+1 is reasonably fair. This isn’t another American History X, where the Nazi “villain” actually gets to make a full, fact-based case for his ideology (Hollywood has long since learned that lesson), and “Nuremberg” doesn’t even dare honestly examine awkward WW2 facts like Stalin being a bigger mass murderer than Hitler, or all the Allied war crimes committed against Germany (the nuking of Japan is mentioned, but not all the Area Bombings of Germany and Japan that preceded the two nuclear bombs, and which on the whole killed FAR more civilians). HollyJew also couldn’t resist their classic anti-Christian smear (Pope Pius XII totally supported Hitler goys!), and Douglas Kelley’s ending monologue is somehow both excessively subtle AND extremely blatant about suggesting that Trump and MAGA are the modern Nazis.
That said, this also a movie that doesn’t demonize the Nazi leaders, and indeed, explicitly warns against doing. Göring ultimately comes across far more positively that the filmmakers presumably intended, and even though the movie is too cowardly to mention that the man was a World War I fighter pilot ace (seriously, it actually talks more about what Hitler did during WW1!), he still comes across as a Great Man who can only be beaten through dishonorable means. Even with regard to his Fat Fuck status, Göring is shown dramatically improving his physical shape while in prison.
Ultimately, I don’t really know who this movie is for: it’s not an effective Takedown of Göring, nor a penetrating portrait of the man, it’s not a stirring celebration of the Nuremberg trials and International Law, and it’s not boldly correcting the historical record. It’s also way too poorly written to qualify as a good movie, even though I certainly found it both entertaining and absorbing. Ultimately “Nuremberg” is something of a mess, and doesn’t really bode well for the ability of Jews to keep the Holocaust Grift going during an age when almost all the survivors have croaked, while Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Don’t expect Muh International Law to ever hold Benjamin Netanyahu accountable for HIS crimes though!
@ChristiJunior a repeat of the "look whos back situation" some of the staff is probly pro hitler and slips things im, even the bad stuff was him comically wrestling and shooting to death a purse dog, came off as mocking about anti hitler propaganda, impossible to tell if it was intentional
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@gav @ChristiJunior Thanks you for your service in watching this. I don't think I can. Maybe the jews were in a hurry throwing this together to remind the goyim that they are indeed the Bad Guys, and not the IDF bombing tent camps and shooting 12-year-old boys in the street.
I've read a bit that physical torture was used to extract many confessions, and there was a lot of tension between the Soviets who had different legal standards than the Anglo-Saxons. And I've read how some American generals did not support the idea of "victor's justice", and if you are going to shoot them, shoot them but don't stage a whole play about it. I wonder if any of this comes out in the film.
@gav @ChristiJunior My own favorite piece of anti-NSDAP propaganda is Conspiracy (2001) , since it portrays the Big Bad as a bunch of mid-level bureaucrats squabbling over turf. The cast is excellent.
@pinemarten @ChristiJunior look whos back (2014), is an enjoyable movie, a display of charism and genuine empathy for the concerns of the moden german people, the photo opps are real and endearing if you can look past them being used to defame some afd people, the weird characterization of hitler being evil can be annoying but they are also funny, if you can watch the movie while wondering whats going through the writers heads i think youll get the most enjoyment out of it
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It's the StarshipTroopers effect all over again. The creators most likely thought, that Hitler is so hated figure, that showing empathy towards him would be the most hilarious part of the movie to begin with.
But you cannot parody a concept, that you never actually connected in your head properly.
