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We are living in the worst possible timeline. Every possible distopia at once.

It's not technology per se, it's technological post-scarcity creating a Rat Utopia scenario.
> I don't like the panopticon, so we need more government intervention.
Yeah, I didn't really listen to his argument that much because it's just hard to take him seriously.

People didn't stop reproducing because they might get recorded when they're dancing at the club.

Ubiquitous recording is about 20 years old and population decline dates back to ~ roughly, WW2

@cjd @Humpleupagus @ned @PNS
> People didn't stop reproducing because they might get recorded when they're dancing at the club.

That is literally the reason bruh.

Think about it. In order to open up and flirt, you need to push boundries in a socially unacceptable way. That is the entire point. To get to a point, where social norms no longer apply between the two of you.

Yet instead, now we live in a world, where there is no safe place to attempt crossing that line, and punishment for such a failure is jail and complete social condemnation.

Good luck asshole.

It's exactly what causes the failure of the mouse utopia.

Even mice need a little privacy for courtship and mating. When there are other mice literally everywhere, they can't breed. And the antisocial behavior of overcrowded mice leaves an imprint which makes them 'autistic' even as the population declines. Finally none of them are able to breed, and the colony dies out.
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Yeah... The problem is, that the popular interpretation is, that "they're not breeding, because they are just too happy with their life."

The word "utopia" is what causes this insanity.

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I think the animal behaviorist who coined the term expected you to understand the irony.

@JollyR @Humpleupagus @ned @PNS @cjd
Meanwhile, you have experiments like: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park that demonstrate, that even things like drug use are used mostly as a coping mechanism when living conditions are already so awful, you don't want to live in this world anymore.

I wish people made this experiment famous instead. Although, people are so dumb, they would misinterpret it too -_-

Okay so your contention is that it's technology that is causing population collapse, then explain this:
> Lisp was created by John McCarthy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1958

@cjd @Humpleupagus @JollyR @ned @PNS
If you claim, it's caused by technology, how do you explain this?

Shows literally a graph of falling birth rates following release of destructive technology.

Not all technology is released by Apple you know.

You're trying too hard to make the data fit your narrative and you know it's not going well.

In around 18 BC, Emperor Augustus imposed the Julian Marriage Laws.

> Extravagance and adultery were widespread. Among the upper classes, marriage was increasingly infrequent and, many couples who did marry failed to produce offspring.

So I guess you will tell us that this too was the cause of technology?

@cjd
There is a role that technology plays in this. Because we are conditioning our brains to interact with things not people. But I think it's a very recent thing, and probably not going to show up in your chart.
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Obviously it was the invention of Betamax video tape.
Peak videotape had to be the 1" wide C-format.

But those 8 millimeter video cassettes were great for backing up computer data. One tape could hold gigabytes, back when a gigabyte was a lot of data.
I had a tape drive on my 486dx/2 66. I had 512mb tapes for it.
Betamax was the standard in Mexico in the 80's.
I eventually got a vcr that could slightly descramble the playboy channel if I turned it on and off a few times. Sure the chicks were still pink, yellow and green, but I could see enough to get the job done. That's the way it was, and I liked it.
well of course, playboy wanted money to restore that colorburst timing pulse that made NTSC work.

we used to love our 480i 30Hz resolution. now it just looks blurry and flickery.

but I still have an old Sharp CRT in my living room with a converter box to decode over-air broadcasts. it's on about an hour a day to watch local news. some of those Japanese TV makers never figured out how to put planned obsolescence into their products.

it weighs like 250 pounds with its thick lead glass screen. probably blasting X-rays out the back of it whenever it's on.
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