@mewmew @alyx move to switzerland

@Jain @alyx you don't require giving up foreign citizenship to get swiss?

@mewmew @alyx

@Jain @alyx moves to switzerland asap

@Jain @alyx can I marry you? seems to be the easiest way

@mewmew @alyx

@mewmew
I've never analyzed the situation as I was never put in a situation where I actually considered getting another citizenship.

>I haven't found many that don't require it
Well, how many countries are there that don't have another nation as an enemy in some way?
Can't say I can guess all the reasons why these things are in place, but I'm guessing at the very least they're hoping to deter spies infiltrating the nation for long periods of time. Consider how paranoid (and sometimes legitimately so) even the Americans are about Russian, Chinese, etc. spies.

@alyx Fair point. But renouncing a citizenship does not prevent you from being a spy (at worst, your country could fake the renunciation). And if it was only particular countries I would understand but I don't like the blanket law.

I wanna collect citizenships

@mewmew
I'm guessing the idea would be that if you renounce your previous citizenship, it would be harder to escape to your own country in case of detection, and they could more easily trial and jail you in the country you were spying on.

>I don't like the blanket law.
I'm guessing at some point all countries got used to the practice and made it a common thing without really analyzing it. Maybe it basically acts like a tradition.

>collect citizenships
Gotta catch 'em all!

@alyx exactly. My new plan is to have an American and Canadian parent while born in Germany. Then move to Switzerland and get Swiss citizenship.

Sadly, I cannot rewrite my life like that.

@alyx (and that's only four *cries*)

@mewmew @alyx I know plenty of dual 🇺🇸 / 🇳🇿 and 🇬🇧 / 🇳🇿 . There are some German duals but they keep changing the laws, so you only see them in certain windows. 🇮🇳 does not allow dual citizenships .. don't think 🇳🇱 does right now either. I met one guy with US+UK+NZ.

@slimeblob @alyx places I've been considering: Italy, Germany, Japan

(oh shit, guess I'm a Nazi after all)

also Canada.

@mewmew @alyx Japan doesn't right? I heard it was difficult to get citizenship there too, but then I went online and there were videos of Americans and Canadians who've done it, so 🤷‍♂️

Also 🇨🇦 :

https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/

@slimeblob @mewmew
Difficult does not mean impossible. So if you're dedicated enough, you'll probably get it eventually.

@alyx @slimeblob you need to sign a contract to have five kids, their population is far too old on average so they need help getting it down.

@mewmew @alyx ​

@mewmew @slimeblob
Damn... how much time do they give you to have 5 kids? Cause men could technically impregnate women even when they're hella old.
Also, curious what would happen if you don't respect the contract.

@alyx @mewmew If you get nine women, you should be able to make a baby in one month right? ​

@slimeblob @mewmew
Something tells me they'll only give you the one woman.
Also, lol.

@mewmew @alyx problem is that even if you move to Ireland or Switzerland (who don't require it), the USA does require it. There's a legal code that accepting another nation's sovereignty requires deleting yours, although there are some bizzare exceptions to citizenship renunciations in the US (the applicant has to have believed they would lose citizenship; so ex. joining the french foreign legion or escaping to canada to join WW2 early and returning to the US after, you can argue that you did not intend to abandon the USA and they may possibly agree with you.)

I believe the passports even have text on it (ours are the only ones that do apparently) that you can lose your citizenship by moving to other places.

@icedquinn @alyx god fuck

@mewmew @alyx yea and good luck moving to the EU anymore. they shat up the laws with anti-third state national stuff, so even though US-CH basically get along and are compatible citizenry you are seen as non-EU scum to be discriminated against.

so while the number of years required to naturalize is lower for US/CAN -> CH than it is anywhere else -> CH, the odds of being allowed to get a job without a master's degree is almost nonexistent.

masters degrees for some reason have a general exception and it's not even tied to your field. "i have a masters degree in painting." "ok you can come wash dishes."

@icedquinn @alyx that's interesting

@mewmew @alyx Yea, i was shopping around for more compassionate countries than the USA. Ireland made the list because genetic ancestral homeland and they are kinda relaxed (although they still have the general euro "don't defend yourself just let gangsters kill you because only criminals use weapons" mind control) and Switzerland is like America Lite but with more germans.

Swiss are obsessed with their rules (germans ) but most of them are orderly, have some reason you can follow, and you can apparently visit your nearest guild hall and ask them to explain whatever weird workforce or cultural regulation you are currently confused by. Swisscare is like obamacare that wasn't written by retards (insurance is mandatory, but only for life-critical procedures, which is subsidized if you are too poor, any elective/additional insurance is left to the open market.) And they encourage workers to actually take regular vacations and also that everyone should be paid living wages, even the farmers, which is why they tend to have very high prices for *everything.*

Also one of the only governments that has a civilian override on parliament; two times a year you can file referendums that literally directly delete any government law that people want to delete. So while congress can push stupid bullshit all day and activist judges can bend the law all night, citizens can directly delete overreaching spy laws / 5g bullshit. not only can, but DO.

they know how to run their shit over there.

@icedquinn @alyx switzerland seems nice...

@mewmew @alyx when they aren't doing stupid things like prosecuting immigrants for things they did before they were swiss citizens, they seemingly are.

@icedquinn @alyx I'm gonna marry @Jain and no one can stop me

@mewmew @alyx (there was a case where one of the muslim immigrants was convicted of FGM that was done in her homeland, prior to accepting any refugee programs, the woman was also illiterate and had no chance to have actually read any of the laws that, again, were legal in her homeland, and all this happened before she was brought over to +. i'm no fan of FGM or MGM but i also don't believe a person can/should be held to stand trial for laws that literally didn't apply to them at the time the law was broken.)

@icedquinn @alyx ok that's pretty dumb. it should be illegal though, I agree. at least, treat them the same way for both genders. I hate how circumcision it an accepted thing in the USA, especially given its origins.

@mewmew @alyx its one of those weird "it's so illegal that its still illegal even if you didn't do it here" clauses that, like the IRS income tax abroad, isn't that great of an idea.

although if part of paying that overseas income tax means 🎺is going to send seals to airlift you home, maybe its worth it.

@icedquinn @mewmew @alyx its weird, switzerland is not an EU member... And i think that the it industry is more open to outsiders

@Jain @icedquinn @alyx Switzerland was so neutral they didn't even join the non-aligned movement