@shmibs @11112011 @alyx @death no sign of asphyxiation or strangling in autopsy, and you can't know how much pressure was applied. it could've still been all his fault and consciously done but it's not as clear cut as one video lets people believe. it's true he made a mistake but better wait for court to decide how big the mistake was. I don't know how normal it is for police to restrain people like that but apparently not forbidden. maybe good idea to change the training and rules of the police

@shpuld @11112011 @death@husk.site @shmibs
From what I can remember the restraining by the neck is a bit too common. As in, it's not a smart thing to use, but it is something that is being used. If this were the only case when this technique was applied, then maybe we would have had a different discussion.

But yeah, the evidence points against actual intent to murder. And even in the video, to me it doesn't look as if he was applying full force to try to kill someone. I honestly don't get what mindset people have that they come up with such conclusions.

As for, was it his fault: if we're talking about manslaughter, yup. Not arguing against that. What I'm arguing against is the narrative that the cop intentionally tried to murder someone because of "muh racism".

@alyx @11112011 @death @shmibs my takeaway is that if he played by the rules, I hope chestcam footage that court has gets released that shows the escalation, and then possibly re-evaluate the rules since as a layman (and all the people watching in person) it does seem very unnecessary what he did
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@shpuld @11112011 @death@husk.site @shmibs
I'm a bit unclear how much he played by the rules. I've heard reports that restraining by the neck wasn't a standard procedure in their precinct. So that's gonna be a big problem if true.

From what I've seen, there's already a good amount of footage of the victim resisting and escalating things. Not sure how much more we could get from body cameras, since those are gonna be a lot more shaky than 3rd party footage. And besides, we're not the ones that should be given access to these things. It's not the mob that should provide justice in the first place.

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