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I wonder... if I were to go to one of those protests/riots with a sign that just said "I'm tired of violence" how would I be perceived?
The message can easily be interpreted both as one against the rioting and violence that these protests spark, and we know that if you bad mouth the violence you'll suddenly be seen as anti-protests and pro-cops, and we know how that ends up. But the message can also be interpreted as being against the initial violence that supposedly sparked the current manifestations (ie death of Floyd).
So the question is, how would a rioting mob interpret it?

@alyx protest? people would probably agree. riot? no one would care, they're busier stealing shit. the rioters aren't political and the protesters are against violence.

@mewmew
>protesters are against violence
On paper. In reality I've rarely seen them practice what they preach. Especially such high tension ones.

@alyx again. the violent ones aren't the ones who have a political message.

@mewmew
They all have a political message. They just not always chant it. Sometimes they advocate for anarchy via a brick to the window.

@alyx I disagree. Most of the people doing the damage are just looking to start shit or steal stuff. They aren't advocating any political message.

@mewmew
I can agree that looters aren't political for most part. But I haven't mentioned looters till now.
Anarchy is always something being advocated for in these riots. And people advocate for anarchy by creating anarchy and chaos. Don't ignore it.

@alyx

i suspect it would end badly.

let those who will, object
to vivisection -
vivisection
has no objection
to them.
- brian aldiss, "the eighty minute hour"

@alyx have you ever seen revolution without blood? people seem to forget quickly police dont have brain they take orders from government. This is war of government against their own people. This is what governments do. You stop it only by removing government. preferably not forming it ever again.

@akeno
1) Too bad anarchy doesn't work as a political system.
2) What war? To have a war you need 2 opposing forces fighting. Neither the police or the government in general have yet to actually put up a fight. It's just been rioters destroying private and public property.
3) Revolution is the most retarded idea. Revolution won't solve shit right now. It can only create more animosity and division.

@alyx Are you blind police killing and harming citizens? no matter race now ?"Citizens!"

@akeno @alyx You riot, you're gonna get hurt

Don't want to get hurt? Go home

@coolboymew @akeno
"Don't you see, rioting is a holly war against the government!" /sarcasm

@akeno
Go try Anarchy for a couple of years and get back to me how it worked out. That is if you survive a couple of years.
@alyx

@Jack @alyx how is government working out for you LOL anarchy worked before...Anarchist Spain etc.

@akeno
Government is working out brilliant for me. They keep me in a job and the tax payer dollar pays for all my expensive habits.
@alyx

@Jack @alyx So you are Fascist. Thats who this war is against. Good luck It's billions of us against few of you.

@akeno @Jack
You have a really low bar for what counts as fascism friend. Please reconsider your life.

@alyx @Jack Yes I guess thats why thousands protest in your country soon millions. because government works LOL

@Jack @alyx Don't worry it already spreads here in Europe too. Every slavery ends.

@akeno
There will always be slaves. Even if it is to our own desires and instincts.
@alyx

@akeno @Jack
Let me know how Anarchist Spain is doing right now. Oh... that's right. There is no Anarchist Spain currently.

It seems governments still have a better track record of working.
Even feudalism probably has a better track record.

@alyx @akeno @Jack Literally everything has a better track record than Anarchism. Even Juche communism lmao.

@adrint @alyx @Jack You all call "good track record" fact that people must do revolutions and die to have rights? WOW

@akeno @alyx @Jack Beats doing revolutions and dying just to have no rights / get immediately rolled over by the nearest commies/fashies. (see: spain)
@adrint
Lets play out the Anarchist's fantasy
>America has a revolution
>Military allows it to happen
>One of the strongest powers in the world is now a broken mess of small factions trying to scrounge up basic resources to survive
>China invades
>Anarchists are now either dead or speaking Mandarin

Anarchy not even once.
@akeno @alyx

@Jack @akeno @adrint
>China invades
Honestly I think the more realistic scenario is China, Russia and Mexico invade and end up fighting each other over North America, completely destroying it in the process.

@alyx @Jack @adrint Of course they invade if police keeps fighting own citizens. Which is war crime. Also why would they invade? That is another brainwash so state keeps the power. All mind prison. Hope you get out once.

@akeno @Jack @adrint
>why would they invade
HAHahahahah.... now you're just being silly on purpose
Oh I don't know, why are all major wars between nations fought? Land, resources, geopolitical power. The usual.

@akeno
>why would they invade?
More land, resources, the opportunity to ensure that one of their major political rivals never comes to power again and many more countless reasons.

You show a major lack of understanding of just how important America is to keeping world peace. I shudder at the thought of the damage the power vacuum would cause.
@alyx @adrint

@akeno @adrint @Jack
Bro, in Anarchy there is nothing and no one that can ensure your human rights are respected. The government is not the one that decides what your human rights are, but it is the only thing that can enforce and protect your rights once it recognizes them.

@alyx @adrint @Jack LOL classic school brainwash. Read about anarchy for your own good.

@akeno @adrint @Jack
If all you can do is get educated, then I'll just assume you give up on the argument.

Fits me just fine. I had to leave anyway.

@akeno @alyx @Jack
Imaging thinking that the state is what garuntees ones rights and calling yourself an anarchist lmao.
>brainwashed
lefties always project 👍
@alyx @akeno @adrint @Jack why can't you protect your rights yourself. government isn't doing much about stores being robbed.

@colonelj @alyx @Jack @adrint Indeed you can. They say it because because they don't understand what anarchy is.

@colonelj @alyx @Jack @adrint also they live in scifi where they think gov. protects their rights cause they put it on their tv brainwash. my own experience proves opposite, gov doesn't care. ....."until it happens to them"

@colonelj @Jack @akeno @adrint
There's only so much you will ever be able to do to protect your rights yourself. There will always still be moments when you need things like an impartial justice system to handle disputes. To some degree you can protect your property, but who will you trust to rightfully divide that property if you ever get a divorce for example.

@alyx @colonelj @Jack @adrint Nonsense. would you read on anarchy already please? But to simplify Anarchy = LAW and freedom without force.
State = law and freedom with force
Force= no law, no freedom. Put things together. you must be rich if you like gov so much. So here we go again: "Until it happens to you" ....I hope soon.

LOL there is no such thing as anarcho-anything. Only anarchy.Otherwise you could come up even with anarcho-fascism

@akeno @colonelj @Jack @adrint
You cannot have law without a state power to enforce it. Without force you can't even ensure people respect any law. Seriously, why would I, or anyone else, do what you say in your vision of anarchy if there is no threat of force?

@alyx
Anarchists live in fantasy land. They believe that everyone will hold hands and sing songs together choosing to ignore the fact that not everyone wants to live the way they do.

Anarchy as its core is might makes right. So I hope all the soyboys enjoy being slaves while they watch their female friends and family members getting raped.
@akeno @colonelj @adrint

@Jack @colonelj @akeno @adrint
Thing is, there will always be an individual, or group of individuals, that gather more might, and by using it, they will force everyone else to do as they say, thus becoming the new leaders and erasing anarchy.

@Jack @colonelj @akeno @adrint
Good way to put it. I usually call it an idealistic political ideology. It's very beautiful and interesting when you put it down on paper, taking in consideration only perfect parameters. But humans are highly imperfect and flawed, and we just don't fit in with that perfectly laid down plan for anarchy. Or communism. Or fascism. Or nazism. Or any number of other idealistic political systems.

@Jack @alyx @adrint @akeno a government can rule because it has a monopoly on the use of force (might makes right) so there's really little difference. your just comfortable ceding power to some ambiguous ever-changing entity cause you've lived within it all your life. have a free book.

http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/books/EA/Everyday_Anarchy_by_Stefan_Molyneux_PDF.pdf
@colonelj
I can't read. I grew up in an Anarchist commune and there was no schools or teachers because everyone was busy working their arses off to provide the basic infrastructure we needed to survive.
@adrint @akeno @alyx
@colonelj @Jack @akeno @alyx The government has a monopoly on the use of force because neoliberals are obsessed with disarming the working class as much as possible.
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