Left wing atheist (Tracie Harris):
>Problem: USA has very high suicide rate among men
>studies show that if people fail their first suicide attempt, they're a lot less likely to try again
>most men go for a gun to commit suicide because it's highly efficient
>Solution to problem: ban guns more, so less men commit suicide

This shows just how faulty left-wing thinking can be. Sure, all of that is probably true, if you ban guns, successful suicide rates are probably gonna drop drastically, but you're still not actually solving the issue. You're putting a band-aid over it.

The issue isn't the suicides, the issue is: why are so many men in USA so depressed and miserable to the point where want to be released from this mortal coil.

Banning guns as a solution to suicides is as logical as Foxconn putting safety nets around its building. Just because you deny/prevent someone from committing suicide doesn't mean they'll suddenly go looking for help for their mental problems. They're just gonna continue suffering on their own for a lot longer. Technically speaking, you're basically a sadist trying to torture them as much as possible, instead of actually trying to understand their problems and reaching out to give them a hand.

And the most absurd part of all of this, is that I guarantee you that the same person that advocated for this "solution" is probably pro-euthanasia (assisted suicide) for the terminally ill. Maybe I'm missing something, but I find this highly self-contradicting. Either you're fine with allowing people to have control over their life and death, or you're not. You can't have it both ways.

P.S. For anyone curious, I'm pro assisted suicide; and I think citing suicide rates is a terrible, completely inadmissible, argument for banning guns.

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I don't think she hates men, but I think she's ignorant on the topic, and isn't interested in "getting educated" either.

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@alyx Hm. Well of course it's impossible to tell anything from a few sentences with rigor. Still, my reading of her sentiment suggests she is only able, mentally, to support male suicide if it is in opposition to a largely male agenda (anti gun-control). It's quite common for westerners, especially women, to have an internalized complex of this sort.

@fluffy
Don't quote me on this one, but I think it was also her that I've heard argue a few years ago, that a pregnancy is basically violating a woman if at any time during it she decides she doesn't want to be pregnant anymore.

What I'm trying to say is that I just think that outside a very narrow field, I'm getting the impression that her logic is overall very bad.

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