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Repeating this every once in a while, cause sometimes I feel it's necessary.
Are you old enough to consent to sex, vote, get a job, and other such adult activities? Then I don't give the slightest of craps what you do with your body. Sure, there are things you might do that I don't personally like, such as getting a tattoo, but it's your body, so I can't and neither do I desire to have the power to stop you. So have whatever transition therapy you want.
But don't you dare think it's ok to experiment on kids for the sake of promoting your twisted gender ideology that is based on unproven assumptions, hypocrisy, sexism and a whole lot of thirst for power.
And yes, there's a lot of sexism at the heart of current gender/transgender ideology. Especially with the genderfluid/non-binary parts of it. Maybe I'll talk about that one again some other time.
@alyx what do you think of puberty blockers?
@tusooa
There are no long term studies on their impact on children. They were never meant to be used in the way they are used for "trans" kids. We are witnessing an unethical experiment being performed on children.
@alyx how to define ethical here? consent? consent when having a choice? or what else?
@tusooa
The best I can advice you is to look up medical ethics for yourself. I'll just point this out: when you develop new drugs or treatments, human beings are the last thing you test them on, children being the even lower on the list than adult humans. Last I checked, we haven't exactly been swimming in transgender mice or chimps.
What it's being done with "trans" kids, is using drugs in ways that they weren't designed for (especially in case of hormone blockers) or that already have proven harmful side-effects in adults (the case of hormone replacement therapy), before proper testing was done, and only afterwards have studies started to appear, with the trans-kids as the test subjects.
@alyx I personally know a number of trans people who regretted not having started hrt earlier. The question is, *before* we could get more and better results on medication for trans people which may take decades, which one of the following is better *for those non-adults who are transgender*?
(1) Do not allow the use of current hrt/puberty blocker medication on trans children even if they ask for it.(2) Allow the use of current hrt/puberty blocker medication on trans children if they ask for it.
@tusooa
>However, I hold that the side-effects do not overweigh the benefit to their mental health
Here's the thing: I'm not convinced of the purported benefits on mental health. The suicide rate is still off the charts post transition too. And the arguments that it's due to societal acceptance doesn't hold water in my view, because:
1) trans acceptance has increased A LOT in recent years.
2) atheists have had societal acceptance problems in America for decades. Even now I hear stories of people being more afraid to come out as atheist to their family than as gay. And yet, suicide rates within the Atheist community are some of the lowest, while "happiness" is generally measured as some of the highest of any demographic. So I don't buy that lack of acceptance is the main culprit for transgender suicides post-op. There is something else there that hasn't been investigated enough, and which isn't solved by current transition therapy.
>I personally know a number of trans people who regretted not having started hrt earlier.
And I've heard trans people say the exact opposite. 
>which one of the following is better *for those non-adults who are transgender*?
The reality is: in best case scenario we can say we legitimately don't know. Some people think they know, but they don't.
And there's still a false assumption being made here: that every child that experiences gender dysphoria, and doesn't take any medication, ends up still experiencing it as an adult, and taking HRT then. The reality is, there are studies out there that give numbers up to 80% of children that experience gender dysphoria before puberty, grow out of it after puberty.
Considering this and the fact that the children themselves couldn't even consent to any of the medication involved anyway, option 2 simply is not in any way a better option as it stands.
IF in the future we develop much better ways of diagnosing gender dysphoria (ones that are based on actual objective standards, like some kind of brain scan or something, instead of subjective feelings and statements made by the patient), IF we are able to differentiate between the children who keep being dysphoric in adulthood and those who don't, IF we can vastly improve the medical treatments used and actually ensure their safety, and IF we can solve the consent problem, then we can come back and reanalyze option 2.
@alyx Ok, I agree with you on that the current medication for trans people does have side-effects and is at best a compromise. Definitely there should be researches about better medication to use. However, I hold that the side-effects do not overweigh the benefit to their mental health, and thus the use of the medication will result in an improved *overall* health of a trans person, which is a relatively good compromise between beneficence and non-maleficence. [1/2]