to satisfy PETA we now have GMO cows who experience orgasm when milked so its no longer animal abuse.
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@icedquinn
So now you're raping the cows... lovely...
@icedquinn
If they get orgasms, then milking them is equivalent to jacking them off... which means: you're raping them.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
Not really, since neither of the party have or expect any kind of sexual pleasure out of it. Not even a really twisted and perverse kind.
Besides, if artificial insemination was anywhere close to rape, do you think you'd see human women get in vitro procedures done?
Rape is defined by consent lmao not be the pleasure experienced by either party. Artificial insemination in cows is often quite painful for the cow. Human women choose to get it done because it's yaknow a choice.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
If consent was all that mattered, then every crime would be rape. Randomly punching someone would be rape. But it's not. What defines rape alongside consent, is at least one party trying to receive sexual pleasure either directly, or getting pleasure through forcing someone else to experience sexual pleasure (aka orgasm).
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
Not all rape involves sexual penetration.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
So then you're on the side of women can't rape men? You do realize that legal definitions of rape all highly flawed.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
But women aren't penetrating men, so by your definition not rape.
lmao i didn't say the perpetrator had to be the one doing the penetrating. There is forced penetration occurring in woman on man rape - that being the woman is forcing the man to penetrate her (assuming she's not sticking a dildo in his ass)
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
Hint: that's called forced enveloping. Saying "force penetration" implies that the person being penetrated is the one being forced into it. Forcing someone else to penetrate you is not forced penetration.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
Here's something else that I'm wondering right now. You said:
>the difference between rape and punching someone without consent is sexual penetration
What makes a certain penetration sexual? If I stick my finger in your ear, without consent, that's forced penetration. But it's not sexual. But can it be? What if I'm some strange kind of pervert that derives pleasure from that?
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
Rape laws are inherently stupid and incomplete though. People get sexual pleasure through a LOT of stuff not covered by "the law". By that definition, putting my penis in your ear wouldn't be sexual either. It's not a sexual cavity. 
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
What makes a sexual instrument? Can a finger be a sexual instrument?
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
You didn't really answer my question though... what counts as a "sexual instrument"? Do only genitals count? Or can other stuff be sexual instruments too?
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
Then a finger is also a sexual instrument. I stick my finger in my ass, thus making it a sexual instrument, and then I ear rape you with it.
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
Why can't people just admit that rape laws are just really badly made?
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
I guess I have work to do then.
BUT QUINN very hard on this statement.poking the inside of people's ears is still covered by simple assault.
@cassidyclown @icedquinn
By the way, another example of rape that doesn't involve penetration: a woman forcefully stimulating another woman's clitoris.
Seriously, rape laws are retarded in most places.
This is why people live by common sense and don't have all of their local legislation memorized. And why they break laws that don't make sense, or that are easy to break, harmless, etc.
It was in the news in The Netherlands, when they proposed minimum sentences for crimes. It happens French kissing was classified as rape in some cases. So judges really wanted to sent people to long jail sentences for a French kiss.
I remember that in some definitions of rape, it isn't possible when the parties are married (I don't know if it means all sex outv of wedlock was considered rape)
I think rape is pretty difficult to codify in law.
@icedquinn @cassidyclown
