@coyote @Terry
Corona-chan started mutating before vaccination even got underway properly. So that's a load of bs.

@alyx @Terry don't debate me, debate the guy who invented the mRNA technology we're using, or at least hear what he has to say. The death rates all spike after the vaccine too.. Most places do

@coyote @Terry
>death rates all spike
And that would mean something, if most of the people getting Corona-chan wouldn't be unvaccinated.

@alyx @Terry they are often vaccinated, seen israel lately? The shot doesn't protect against variants

@coyote @Terry
Change "often" to "rarely" and you'll be on the right track. As for Israel, I haven't had the time to look at the actual data. I suspect reporting is faulty, especially since from my understanding, Israel is already mostly vaccinated, with a small minority unvaccinated. So you no longer have a control to compare against over there. And for a country that dealt with this problem so well and swiftly, any number of cases would seem like an explosion.

@alyx @Terry No, it's quite often. The raw numbers were shocking, maybe you should look at them.. 80% vaccination and someodd million catching COVID despite getting two shots. I don't have the data on me, sorry.

@coyote @Terry
For Israel, I also remember hearing 80-90% vaccination rate, but the million infected are since the beginning of the infection. You need to look at current daily infections to be able to try to draw a conclusion, not the total number. And even then, there are a lot of variables you'd need to account for.

@alyx @Terry I did.

@alyx @Terry From the numbers I saw 60% of new cases were fully vaccinated

@coyote @Terry
When most of the population is vaccinated, and there's a good chance even among the unvaccinated a lot of them already had it, and have natural antibodies, that number is perfectly normal and expected.
If 100% of the people were vaccinated, you would literally have 100% of infected people be vaccinated, but that in itself still doesn't tell you anything.

It's a known fact that no vaccine provides 100% protection, so we know for sure that anywhere between 5-20% of people (depending on the Corona vaccine taken) would just not respond to the vaccine, not develop antibodies from it, and would contract Corona-chan just as if they never vaccinated.
Add to this that newer variants might be more resistant, and that for some people, that were the first to take the vaccine, maybe their antibody count has started to drop, and there's nothing strange or unexplaineable in Israel getting cases. (not to mention that they were finally relaxing after they'd been in a worse lockdown that USA).

@alyx @Terry
> When most of the population is vaccinated, and there's a good chance even among the unvaccinated a lot of them already had it, and have natural antibodies, that number is perfectly normal and expected.
it's clear you didn't follow me... Muting the thread unfortunately

@coyote @alyx Israeli media said something like 85 percent of the people hospitalized were vaccinated

@alyx @Terry if that's bullshit then forgive me

@alyx @Terry Antibody Dependent Enhancement is when a large population starts to produce a specific antibody targeting a specific virus, in this case COVID, and the virus *responds* by mutating and becoming more virulent and less deadly. I don't know the specifics, unfortunately this is the extent of my knowledge, I just trust the person who said it.

@coyote @Terry
>*responds*
Viruses don't "respond". Do you even understand evolution by natural selection?
What you're referring to is literally the act of environment pressure providing the means of selecting in favor or against certain mutations. Thing is, these mutations still happen, with or without the vaccine. You select for them by eliminating the standard variant, but it doesn't mean they don't develop otherwise. And as long as the variants are more infectious (and they are), they'd still become the dominant version over time.

By vaccinating, all you did was reduce the number of people who get infected or severe cases of standard Corona-chan, helping people recover a lot faster, and providing any potential infection much less time to develop mutations in the bodies of vaccinated people.
Meanwhile, the actual variants people were scared about, literally happened in countries that had low vaccination rates. Remember the British variant? Remember how Britain tried to do natural herd immunity? You think India is a heaven of medical accessibility?

Yes, maybe mutated variants might get past the current vaccine (although last studies I've heard still showed that most vaccines are still very good against Delta), but those mutations would have still existed, with or without the vaccine.

@alyx @Terry Idk you're talking like you know what you say is a fact, but I don't think you do. The difference is, I'm quoting someone that knows their shit. Also nitpicking semantics over the term "responds" seems like a weak place to start the counter argument. You say in so many words that fundamentally "respond" isn't an incorrect term there. So you admit vaccines are creating variants, and you don't argue that current mRNA gene therapies are effective, you actually admit they might be.

By this reasoning you *want* new variants...

@coyote @alyx @Terry I understand ADE as a problem where your own immune system begins to attack your own body because it goes into overdrive due to the mrna killshot. ADE will make people who have been vaxxed die when they are exposed to a naturally occuring virus because the immune system goes into overdrive and begins attacking itself

@coyote @alyx @Terry look up “Nobel disease”.

@Terry About 3 months too late for that. I'm Moderna certified.

@alyx guess who else was moderna certified about 3 month ago
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@Terry
I have no idea who that is. Can't say that I care either.

@alyx he died last week from an "accident" and was displaying tremors live on air a few days prior.

You played russian roulette with an experimental vaccine because the TV told you to. Thats peak bug man.

@Terry @alyx God I hope this faggot gets ass cancer.

@WreckageBrother @alyx he ded

@Terry @alyx my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined

unless he died of ass cancer

@WreckageBrother @alyx an "accident" officially but I think it was from the jab