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@Eris
Is a fetus a person? And at what stage of pregnancy does a fetus receive personhood status?
@Eris
Why is it a person? What makes someone a person?
@Eris
In that case we have a fundamental different understanding of what constitutes personhood. As such, this discussion cannot proceed any further. Also, you'll have some explaining to do when humanity discovers intelligent extraterrestrials, of our level or higher.
>In that case we have a fundamental different understanding of what constitutes personhood.
In that case you are insane and all your arguments are incoherent. Thank you for proving my point.
@Eris
I didn't even make an argument. I only asked some question to gauge your level of intelligence and open mindedness to see if it's even worth making an argument.
@Eris
I asked about personhood, not humanity.
@Eris
Nope. You can call a strand of hair human, but you can't call it a person.
@Eris
Congrats, you just agreed with me that "person" is not the same as "human". As you just discovered yourself, "human" is a subclass of "person".
@Eris
Saying "human object is part of person" excludes the other way around being possible. Which makes it impossible for person = human.
>Saying "human object is part of person" excludes the other way around being possible.
No it doesn't. My hair is a human. It is a person. That person is me.
@Eris
You literally started with "person is a DISCRETE human being" and ended up with "hair is person" JUST so you don't admit you could be wrong about something.
@Eris
You gaslight yourself in changing your own definition of "person".
You are pre-emptively saying "your argument is ridiculous" without saying how and assuming i will just agree. Very silly way to behave.
@Eris
You've started our discussion by stating that distinct human beings is what constitutes a person.
Now you're stating that body parts of a human (as opposed to a full distinct human being) is what constitutes a person.
You're contradicting yourself.
Not to mention that the first thing people will think about when hearing "person" is a distinct individual functioning mind. It's why we don't really call a skeleton or a putrefying body a person anymore. And last I checked, your foot doesn't have a mind of it's own.
@Terra_australis @Eris
The intelligence aspect is a difficult question to answer, one that exceeds my abilities.
When it comes to humans, I choose to draw the personhood line at the point in the fetus development when the neural system has grown enough to where it can experience sensations (like feeling pain). I believe that this is the point we can be most certain that the fetus has the "equipment" it needs to act as a distinct person.
> I choose to draw the personhood line at the point in the fetus development when the neural system has grown enough to where it can experience sensations (like feeling pain).
This is how category-brains think. You establish some set of criteria X and anything that meets criteria X qualifies as X.
It's a retarded way to see the world.
@Eris @Terra_australis
Yes, something that matches the criteria for X is X, and what doesn't match the criteria for X, isn't X. Furthermore, something that is only part of X is also not X, it's only part of X.
That's how thinking works. Try it sometimes.
>That's how thinking works. Try it sometimes.
It's how autists think about the world, and not how things really work.