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If Twitter were to close down suddenly, what would happen to cancel culture?
We're used to thinking of it as an internet phenomenon, but it's mostly just Twitter. Even when the person targeted is a YouTuber, you won't see the cancel mob form on YouTube. All the outrage, all the angry calls for blood, still Twitter territory.
I can only assume it turned out like this because of how massively hypocritical Twitter has been in enforcing their rules. After all, what is cancel culture if not harassment on a wide scale, but harassment is supposedly not allowed on Twitter.

@alyx twitter closing would be so good for the Internet
@alyx well... it'd still be there, but it would be more nakedly obvious as to *who* is doing it and *why*. Like, the ADL, SPLC, and other outright jewish orgs wouldn't stop "cancelling" people (Lindbergh's father was "cancelled" for going against jewish power in the early 1900's), but it would be that much more easier to spot. There'd also be less spam of the pro-system variety I suppose, reinforcing people's beliefs in this or that about this specific aspect of it that lets them cling to that while hating the rest of it.

@camedei456
When I think of "containment" I think of something as small as possible to house one specific thing. Twitter is anything but small. This concerns me... is that much of society really cancer?

@alyx @camedei456 Twitter is not big. it presents reality as a massively outsized distortion because Twitter is Wokeist Neoliberal Propaganda Department & Cancel-Culture CENTCOMM disguised as a social media network and motivated by a vanishingly small percentage of the its user base which is a vanishingly small percentage of the population

@alyx things would be better short term but something new would pop up. The way Twitter's harrassment rules are enforced is pretty crazy its alright to threaten to murder and rape people on Twitter as long as you do it to the right person
@alyx
Now the question is which and how many datacenters must be unplugged for twitter to go down ? :thonk:

@mangeurdenuage
I honestly don't even know how many servers they have. And are they even their own servers, or are they using Amazon or something else?

@alyx
>of how massively hypocritical Twitter has been
It generates money that's why.
@alyx So many refugees. They better stay on Twitter. Worst of the worst.
@alyx They've already exported it to instagram and tiktok too. It isn't a coincidence that this is what most of the youth use, and it will ensure that "cancel culture" will last forever after twitter is turned into a closed off total safe space for journalists, corporations, and neolib politicians

@anarchoretardism
Instagram maybe, but tiktok is already too "toxic" to be the home ground of cancel culture.

@alyx
Unless the groups are either unable to do it, due to some technical/social innovation, or are forced to stop doing it by some centralized authority, it won't go away. Cancel culture has been proven as a viable tactic in an online culture war.

@laurel
I don't think you can stop a cultural phenomenon via authoritarian action. It will have to be a societal change from bottom up. Maybe someone that has studied the history of witch hunts would be able to better figure something out.

@alyx
Hard agree. Like many other instances of authoritarian measures being taken, it will just become an underground phenomemnon with more extremes and more -dedicated- members. All of a sudden, the problem became harder to uproot.

You shut down twitter today, and you'll wake up to public executions.

When it's so clear to see who's in the wrong, a counter-culture is formed against it that is equal or greater in power. However, this requires playing the waiting game, as it will take at least a generation before the earth expels the roots by itself.
@laurel

@alyx
>It will have to be a societal change from bottom up.
Well, yeah just outlawing canceling just won't do it. But any government, not just authoritarian, can affect societal structure and in many different ways.
From some light legislation banning aspects of cancelling and/or protecting digital privacy, to incentivizing bottoms up social change and definitely by stopping any kind of ideological cancelling from the centralized power itself.

I think the overall increase in this behavior is due the regime using ideological cancelling for its own interests. Everyone else is trying to use this state backed mechanism for their own ends. And of course the underlings have the easiest access to this sort of power.
The inquisition was a part of the Catholic church made to combat "heresy". People were using this state mechanism for their own gain by accusing their enemies/competitors of "witchcraft" even as the church tried to stop it realizing it undermined their own power to get rid of people. Same thing happened in communist states where people would accuse others of "bourgeois tendencies" or "anti-communist actions", in an effort to get rid of them. People would send their neighbors to a gulag for things as petty as being jealous of them.
@alyx this stuff is NOT limited to twitter.
You should see what monads.online and the rest of canceldon (we call them that for a reason) get up to.
Hell, a lot of the eris/kiwifarms debate can be boiled down to "poast, fse, and kiwifarms canceled eris for attempting to cancel kiwifarms."
It's like saying america is the country of ignorance. America may be the poster child for stupid, but that's at least in part because they're so VISIBLE.
It gets noticed more there cuz there're more eyes on it, but it's not a platform-exclusive pattern of behavior by any means.

@dhfir
I'd argue that Twitter's cancel culture has a bigger effect on a bigger part of society. I doubt canceldon or kiwi/fse/poast will frequently get people fired.

@alyx yes, but as I already mentioned, that is because it IS bigger.
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