i seriously want to sue microsoft for making windows 10/11 purposely slow on a modest hardware just so you buy a more powerful (and hence costlier) hardware. Not to say, Microsoft benefits from OEMs that sell Windows pre-installed.

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MS isn't trying to make Windows slow on purpose. Windows is slow because it's badly designed and bloated as a consequence of decades of backwards compatibility.

And every time they try to overhaul the OS, you have billions of users complaining of "why did you change this! why is my 15 year old software not working anymore! Microsoft REEEEE!!!!".

Microsoft is in a catch-22. The users expect a modern OS, with fancy UI and support for touchscreen, HDR, etc, while at the same time they expect it to still work like Windows XP.

So because you can't get rid of the old stuff, because some of the users will just refuse to use the new Control Panel for instance, you need to keep all of it and add to the bloat. I hear that things have gotten so bad, that current builds of Windows 11 literally have 2 versions of Explorer, one themed for Win11, one themed for Win10.

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@alyx@gameliberty.club it worked perfectly fine till Windows 8.1 and there has not been enough of a technology gap between 8.1 and 10 to make it justifiable. 10 has been bad since day 1.

@GNUxeava
Maybe it's not that obvious from an user point of view, but the difference between Win 8.1 and Win 10 is bigger than the one between Win 7 and Win 8.1. It's probably closer to the jump between Win XP and Vista.

@alyx pretty sure its the 90% monopoly. No need to do a good job at anything when you snuff out competitors just by shitting out a haskf bsjed version of anything
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@icedquinn @GNUxeava
Their monopoly comes with a huge downside that they have to keep backwards compatibility for corporate users that refuse to update a lot of their software, but still blame Microsoft when things break.

Look at how many times Apple broke all compatibility without giving a shit. They just forced software devs to issue new updates or be excluded from working on future Macs.

Microsoft can't do that, because some of the software the corporate world uses can be decades old and no longer in development. They can't even be updated anymore. But the users still expect them to work, and they'll blame Microsoft alone when they don't.

Let me ask you something, how many times did you blame Linus Torvalds when a compile failed on Linux, or when an old version of a program can't install on a new distro? You don't. Nobody does. Linux is never to blame for these things. It's either the software developer for not maintaining it, or worse case scenario, the distro for doing something wrong.

But that's not how things work in Windows ecosystem. That's not how Windows users think.

Under Linux, if the user wants to use an old version of software, but it doesn't work anymore because of newer dependencies that break things, that's an user problem, that the user has to fix.
Under Windows, a similar issue will always be viewed as a Microsoft problem, that Microsoft has to fix.

And funny enough, even Linux users don't notice the double standard Windows is being subjected to.

And I'm sure you or someone will bring up the excuse of "well I pay for Windows, so I expect Microsoft to make it work! REEE".
And while it's true that you pay for Windows, the thing is, you pay for Windows 10, for Windows 10 technology, Windows 10 software support etc. You don't pay to have Win 98 era software support.
If we were to use Linux/Apple thinking instead, Microsoft should tell you to fuck off and use a 1998 PC with Windows 98 if you expect 1998 software to work. But Windows users don't accept that, and then they REEEE again.

I don't use Windows as a main OS for several years. I have my own criticism for Windows. I'm glad other people criticize Windows too. But I expect it to be fair criticism, that takes into account that Microsoft has certain restrictions put on them from their userbase that limits them in some areas of what they can do with their OS.

@alyx @GNUxeava
Windows 10 removed a good bit of back compat and has been each update
Win 10 when it first released is entirely different from what it is now, hell Microsoft advertised win10 as being perfect for even core2 era machines (and it was pretty alright for a time) it's only as they've done their "redesigns" in the past couple years that it's gotten shittier

They removed most 32bit back compat stuff in I think the spring update from last year, win16 support was yeeted back in late windows 8, so they havent been this exclusive back compat only company, especially when they KEEP MAKING SETTINGS A CUNT TO CHANGE, JUST FUCKING LET ME USE CONTROL PANEL FFS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I do get what you mean about where people go to complain about issues, that's largely just a fundamental difference in framing, likely going back to win98
Doesn't help that over the years they've been making it more of a pain to do basic sysadmin and troubleshooting

@Lumeinshin @GNUxeava
>They removed most 32bit back compat stuff...

I haven't used Windows 10 in recent years in a large enough amount to notice any of this. Usually I end up doing some installs for a cousin, and I haven't encountered any problems with 32bit software. Although, the only legacy software I deal with for him is Winamp (because I can't be bothered to teach him some other music app, and he can't be bothered to learn anyway).

I know about the 16bit removal from Windows 8, and even back then I remember hearing something about some work-arounds to keep stuff working. As always, Windows users were still adamant about keeping that stuff working.

Maybe they did start removing more back compatibility stuff from Win10, but so far I haven't managed to hear or witness any effects. I've got a secondary Win10 laptop, that I don't use much, but I've played a few games on it from around 1999-2001 just fine (in the last year). So whatever 32bit stuff they might have removed, clearly it wasn't that much.

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