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@TheMadPirate
Mostly because the virus went through a few mutations since then.
@TheMadPirate
Not necessarily, depends a lot on the mutations themselves. The real problem though is only a small percentage of the population had the actual disease, and developed natural immunity. And even for those, we already know that antibody number go down in time. In any case, relying on people developing natural immunity could translate to the pandemic lasting decades.
@alyx But wouldn’t be more effective to use capsid inoculation just like with influenza in that case ?. Yeah, it would be seasonal, but by 2025 or 2030 the virus mortality rate could very well be close to that of influenza.
@TheMadPirate
Covid and the flu are very different viruses, despise what the "it's just like the flu" crowd wants you to believe. There's no guarantee that what works for the flu would work for covid.
@alyx
>>The real problem though is only a small percentage of the population had the actual disease, and developed natural immunity.
So there is no even an epidemic? So what's matter?
>>And even for those, we already know that antibody number go down in time.
And it's absolutely normal. When antibodies have nothing to do, our body gets rid of them and low or even zero antibody number doesn't mean that @TheMadPirate - 1/2
immunity has ceased: human body will generate antibodies when it come across the virus again. Moreover keeping antibody number high permanently (using booster shots) is highly dangerous and in a long run can lead to autoimmune deseases or even cancer.
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@VikingKong @alyx So those booster shots could generate long term effects like infertility and such ?
@TheMadPirate @VikingKong
No. He's completely deluded. If anybody count was harmful in those ways, you'd be more concerned about the yearly flu shots or even just getting a cold on a regular basis.
@alyx My concern would be that the mRNA procedure start creating something akin to the “super bacteria” phenomena.
@TheMadPirate
Yes. The vaccine that just mitigate symptoms but doesnt prevent people from being infected or becoming spreaders can lead to more deadly variants. In veterinary there is very convincing example: Marek's desease which originally had very low lethality but became absolutely deadly after some years of vaccination.
@alyx
@VikingKong @alyx I am conflicted if that happened if that would be the result of stupidity, malice, greed or a combination of all three.
@TheMadPirate
It's amazing how much of people's fears of these vaccines is because of a misunderstanding of how these things work and even the process of evolution by natural selection works.
The mRNA vaccine itself can't interact with covid itself. mRNA can only interact with your cells. And what it does, is it tells your regular cells to create some of the proteins of the covid virus, which then the immune system notices in your body, detect them as foreign/dangerous, and begin fighting them, creating antibodies. This entire process is limited by the amount of RNA in the vaccine, at RNA is inherently fragile and has a limited lifetime.
I've also heard claims that the vaccines will trigger covid to mutate into vaccine resistant strains. That's somewhat true, but also a very poor understanding of the evolutionary process.
The virus will always mutate, with or without a vaccine. As long as there's someone that is susceptible to infection (not immune), then the virus can infect them and has a chance of mutating in them. If by random chance, a mutated strain is now resistant to existing vaccines, then it will be able to infect a larger selection of people and thus has more chances at mutating again. The effect is that a new strain has appeared that is now infecting vaccinated people, and it appears as if you've made the virus mutate in this way. The reality is the new strain would have appeared irrespective of the vaccine, but because of the vaccine it's the only strain that can still survive and infect any person, while the original strain is limited to only people who are not immune, so it will slowly die out.
It's a massive cat and mouse game, which you win by trying to limit through every means possible how fast people get infected, by trying to get them cured as fast as possible, and by trying to give them immunity as fast as possible, including with updated vaccines. The real fight is not against the virus, the real fight is against it's mutating potential.
@alyx That makes sense.
The real fight is not against the virus, the real fight is against it’s mutating potential.
Would that be dependent on the population density ? I mean would mega cities with densely populated be a more prone environment to increase the mutating potential ?.
@TheMadPirate
Yes. Absolutely.
@alyx I hope we all get ready for the SARS-2 Mexico City and Sao Paulo variants then….
@TheMadPirate
Well.. we weren't ready for the Indian delta variant either, so I doubt we'll be ready for the future ones.
@TheMadPirate
Nobody knows, but it's possible. The experiment just has started and the results will have been got only after 2 or 3 years. Stay tuned.
@alyx
@VikingKong @TheMadPirate
>doesn't mean that immunity has ceased
Yes, actually that's exactly what it means. Sorry, I don't talk to complete and utter morons. Goodbye.
Losing the antibodies has a short term appearance as immunity loss but there are people known to have survived previous SARS episodes and the t cell memory or whatever its called this week started manufacturing antibodies faster than people who hadn't.
Its actually not possible to vaccinate every illness because those are sold on keeping the cells specialized with adjuvants and they actually need to be flexible.
@VikingKong @TheMadPirate
> a few mutations since then
Strains have only become less deadly, and the vaccines are pushing the strains with ADE
> only a small percentage of the population had the actual disease
Some reports are saying basically 70% of the US population had it.
> relying on people developing natural immunity could translate to the pandemic lasting decades.
The vaccine wanes to 20% to 40% effectiveness after 6 months first off, so that's not a solution even just compared to natural immunuty which you're criticizing, second off, this is endemic, there's no getting rid of this, and vaccines killed more children in Canada than COVID which only killed 15 children as of last month.
It's clear you're confused, but maybe if you could back some of it up with sources, for instance, the idea that strains are more deadly, where are you getting this? Also, without any trustworthy large scale testing, the data we have is meaningless, and the PCR in January on the day of Biden's inauguration was adjusted from its false-positive-prone 37 cycles to a much more reasonable 24 cycles, despite the fact it's not designed or intended to be used for testing, according to its own creator, and also one PCR test's EUA was revoked for providing too many false positives, something people have been screaming about. Can you prove "natural immunity" (a phrase which was made up in 2020) otherwise known as immunity, is worse than vaccination? From what I understand, as well has been known for decades, that immunity is always better than vaccination as long as the patient actually survives with no major or moderate problems.
@coyote @TheMadPirate
There are more people who have died because there are far more people who are getting infected now, because the strain mutated to be much more infectious.
I've said nothing about the strain itself inherently more deadly, but dishonest people like yourself do nothing but put words in people's mouth.
I have no interest in any further conversation, because it would be pointless to talk to someone who does nothing but throw anything you can the wall, hoping something sticks. Your entire post is nothing but gish gallop and I have no interest in it.
First off none of this has anything to do with what I said but let's go through this:
> There are more people who have died because there are far more people who are getting infected now, because the strain mutated to be much more infectious.
And then THE NEXT SENTENCE
> I've said nothing about the strain itself inherently more deadly
You contradicted yourself, by not understanding the word "deadly" incorrectly. If a viruses virulence goes up further than it's ability to kill, and more people are dying as a result of it, is it more deadly? You'd have to be either braindead or a midwit high off koolaid to think otherwise.
Not only did you contradict yourself but you're dodging answering for the three very specific questions I have, and dodging everything else I've had to say except the very first fucking sentence.
You're being lazy, are you not a fucking man? Put your money where your mouth is and back your shit up.
@coyote @TheMadPirate
Your a moron. Goodbye.
> if you could back some of it up with sources, for instance, the idea that strains are more deadly, where are you getting this?
> Can you prove "natural immunity" (a phrase which was made up in 2020) otherwise known as immunity, is worse than vaccination?
I was also waiting to see if he'd bite on the PCR test being adjusted and then discontinued but I guess that was NBD just par for the course, totally normal to use a test that cannot do its job to be used for two years and silently toyed with. Whatever.
@coyote No one will bother with dishonest hacks like yourself.
> There are more people who have died because there are far more people who are getting infected now, because the strain mutated to be much more infectious.
Let's look at Israel, Gibraltar, Iceland, and other small countries and look at their vaccination rate: 95+% double shots. Let's look at their death rates? Worse than they've ever been. Huh.
If disease A kills 10 out of 100 people infected, that's a mortality rate of 10%.
If disease B kills 1 out of 100 people, that's a mortality rate of 1%.
Disease A has a higher mortality rate. It doesn't matter that disease A only infects 100 people and disease B infects 10000 people, we still say disease A has a higher mortality rate.
This is why you're a moron and why you're not worth taking seriously.
@alyx
You' just talking about things you don't understand. Of course, the mortality rate of the desease A is way lower than the mortality rate of the desease B.
You can't tell the mortaIity rate from the case fatality rate while these are totally different terms. That's why it's you who are not worth taking seriously.
@coyote @TheMadPirate
@alyx Doesn’t people become more resistant to variants of a virus in time when they develop natural immunity ?. You know, like influenza’s seasonal variants.