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People here talk about waking up normies. Well... what exactly do you expect normies to do once they've "woken up"?

For the sake of the argument, let's say normies did wake up to the way you view the world and accepted your "ideology". What do you think would happen then?
Because I'll tell you what happens: nothing. Woken up normies are not gonna do anything, because they're still normies. They won't fight a war for your ideology, especially if you're not willing to fight it yourself. Normies will wait for YOU to fight the war, change the status quo, kill whatever degenerate you think needs to be killed, and at the end of it will nod in agreement. That's it.

And when, inevitably, someone else comes around to dethrone you, and call your rule tyrannical, and say you were a genocidal maniac, the normie will once again nod in agreement, and say they were just following orders, they didn't have the means to fight you, they feared for their lives so they were forced to agree with you, and they never really believed in your ideology.

My point is, stop expecting something from normies. They're not your army in this. At best, they're the jury that will vote in your rule once you did what you did. But if your plan for victory relies on normies fighting alongside you, you're doomed to failure from the start.

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@MK2boogaloo
The thing is, I think the progressive/far-left/however you want to call them instinctively know all of this.
I don't see them waiting for the normies to see that there's "institutional racism" or discrimination or whatever. They lie, cheat and steal their way into enforcing the policies they want, and then they use brainwashing and social programming techniques to force the normies into accepting their ideology after the fact.

@alyx I agree on that one. The only effective solution is to force your way into everything. The left had proved that this is true. Even the right. Hitler tried doing a coup. After that failed, he formed the SA to fight the communist in the street. He was doing everything he could to win. And he did.

@MK2boogaloo
>And he did.
I don't see how you can say that. Hitler literally shot himself cause he couldn't live with his failure.

I have a joke around the whole "Hitler did nothing wrong" meme: clearly Hitler did something wrong seeing how he didn't manage to conquer the entire world.

As for what is the "only effective solution", I don't know. It might not be the case that there's only one solution, but rather multiple solutions that only work at different times.

It's very possible that in times when things have degenerated to an extreme degree, violent revolution is the only thing that will be successful. But it is also very possible, that if that time hasn't come yet, the revolution will not only be unsuccessful, but it might work against you, giving even more power and solidifying the old regime.

@alyx the only thing he did wrong was him trusting his general too much. You know about Halder and Canaris right?

I agree with what you said about different method for different time. I do tend to think that now isn't the right time to use a peaceful one. Because the enemy is already too strong to fight on neutral ground.
@alyx This is why I generally prefer the term "lemming" - they're obedient followers who will go with the flow, no matter where it leads them, even to their own demise. They don't fight for what they believe in, if they even believe in anything at all.
@alyx @alyx yea, but if they aren't woken up they won't do anything when you do do something. Checkmate. I'm just having fun. I just want to wake people up. The guys who have pod casts and 10000 of listeners. Those wouldn't exist with that attitude.

@alyx

Heartily agreed. As I wrote 20+ years ago, all we need is for the people who are active natural leaders in society to actually agree on something that we want and then start working to get there.

There's so much confusion, I can't get no relief. No one knows what he/they/she/it wants.

@alyx

Also:

Caste systems are innate.

90% are workers, 9% are middle class, and 1% or fewer or leaders, by our nature.

Normies are the 90%, some of whom have enough money to be in the middle class and even successful, but are serfs/helots in their hearts and souls.

@alyx @alyx not like rightoids don't do exactly the same thing with the only difference complaining about it online and letting leftoids continue walk all over them
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