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@dave
Are you one of those people that think he somehow gained immunity to fentanyl?
If someone dies of an OD, you will find very little norfentanyl in their system, because norfent is a metabolite of fentanyl. When you find a decent amount of norfentanyl, that means they took it a while ago, and overdose isn't what killed them.
George Floyd had a significant amount of norfent in his system. In addition to the marginal amount of fentanyl in his system, and the fact that he was a long-term drug addict, it indicates that his fentanyl levels aren't what killed him.
@dave
They also didn't find any signs of strangulation on the first autopsy and they had to redo it just to make something up.
Let's not fucking pretend you can do potent drugs over and over again without it having consequences on your body. Let's not pretend they don't wear your body over time to where there's no way of knowing when something gives up. Let's not pretend that every time you take overdose amounts of drugs, and you're lucky enough to survive, that somehow means your body is as good as new as soon as it all leaves your system.
Don't be that person.
@dave
There's a reason the "don't do meth" memes exist. Strong drugs have lasting effects on your body. Just because you survive what should be overdoses over and over again, doesn't mean your body is in tip top shape.
@dave
So your argument is "he's guilty because he didn't provide medical help". He's a fucking cop, dealing with a criminal that just lied to them. Why the fuck should they have trusted him? Besides, Floyd was the one resisting arrest, and saying "take me out of the car". The cops did! What were they supposed to do after? Let him run away? They were barely restraining him as it is. Maybe you 'Muricans have it too good, and never had to kneel, but I remember when I saw the video thinking "he's clearly barely putting ANY real weight on the guy, this is open and shut". But somehow all of you don't seem to understand how the weight distribution would have worked.
@dave
Then you're stupid, because literally the first autopsy clearly stated he wasn't choked. And if you had any comprehension of the weight distribution of the human body in a kneeling position, you'd know Chauvin didn't have enough weight in that to choke anything.
But as was brought up in trial and acknowledged as true by the defense's own expert witness, there will be no evidence of asphyxial trauma in many of these cases, because the pressure on the neck is so widely distributed.
The autopsy never concluded that "he wasn't choked". You fell for fake news if you believe it did.
@dave
There's no trauma because there was nothing to have trauma over. It's lunacy to claim he had his airways shut with no trauma. Don't be stupid. PLEASE.
the first question people should ask is why 6 million? it's always that number which is most important to believe. but people have zero curiosity about it.
@Ok123 @dave
>There weren't 6 million jews in Russia.
You counted them?
>New York Times printed in 1906 that 6 million jews were being 'systematically exterminated'
The New York Times printed no such thing. It printed that a guy left Russia convinced the Russian government was studying a policy of extermination. Even if we take the conviction as justified, we're still left with a potential policy, not a report of actual extermination. Learn to read.
> (which you will admit was false in 1906)
Don't tell me what I will or won't admit, or this discussion is over.
>is in line with a history of false accusations of extermination made by jews against Germany, Russia, the Soviet Union, Poland, Ukraine and other countries.
Or is in line with a history of fucked up things a lot of countries always did to it's ethnic minorities.
>Why did the New York Times print that in 1906?
Because apparently someone went to Russia, and was convinced that their government were considering Hitler's solution before he did. If anything this proves Hitler plagiarized. And people say he did nothing wrong... clearly we can add intellectual theft on top of it all.
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
>quite atrocious for you to talk about russia in this way
>they were literally all the pioneers of communism that spread it world wide
And my country was among the ones under the oppression of Soviet Russia's communism. Not sure what you mean by saying that about me, and I'm not sure how I should talk about Russia so it isn't atrocious.
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
>1 jew invented communism => all jews are evil
So then all Germans are evil too, right? Or was Hitler Austrian? I can never remember this right. Maybe we should exterminate them all just to be sure.
@Humpleupagus @dave @EverySingleTIme @Ok123
There are plenty of evil deeds Hitler did, even if we ignore the holocaust. So yeah, Hitler is evil, and his brand of fascism wasn't that far off from communism.
@Ok123 @Humpleupagus @dave @EverySingleTIme
That's not motte and bailey son, that's just me stating the obvious that there are plenty of evil deed that Hitler did. One doesn't need to rely on a single fact to prove he was a blight on Germany and the world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
>let me put up some blurry images where you can't actually read shit, that will prove my point.
Good job. I totally believe you now. And I totally have reason to believe the dates you put up there are the real dates of the articles. Not that it matters much, as they're too blurry to read anyway.
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
They're blurry, therefore there's nothing for me to argue with. From my side it's as if you didn't provide any evidence. It's as good as non-existent. What am I supposed to do, yell at the clouds?
>Or you could dig into this topic and try to find them
Or not, cause I'm not obsessed like you people are. I'm not obsessed about a number. It can 5 million, 6 million or 7 million. I don't care.
You see, even if you're right, and Jews were fearing or heck, even inventing a fear of extermination, that doesn't disprove the holocaust. It doesn't make any difference to the facts that happened during Hitler's reign. That's what you need to investigate, and whether that happened, not some snippets of some irrelevant newspaper articles, that barely appear once a year.
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
>Hitler was pushing for peace! Trust me! Hitler good boy!
Heard this one before. We're done here.
@EverySingleTIme @alyx @dave @Ok123 I believe where you’re losing the plot is when Hitler did after Munich and the occupation of the Sudetenland.
Taking more of Czechoslovakia showed he and his Nazi regime were non-agreement capable as Russia started describing the US in the Obama administration because it was impossible to get all the factions of the Deep State to follow an agreement. No serious person would accept offers of peace from Hitler afterwords.
This also mightily embarrassed and in the medium term fatally weakened Chamberlain, who immediately turned rearmament up to 11 which prevented Germany from gain command of the air over the Channel after the fall of France.
I’m not sure if war with the USSR was inevitable, as far as I know it’s impossible to have a good idea if Stalin would have eventually pulled the trigger but I haven’t studied that detail at all. But it was of the utmost importance that Hitler not recreate another two front war. And declaring war on the USA was utter madness.
I recently have been talking about reserves. If it was necessary to rescue Germans in the Danzig in late 1939, the reserve of good will he used up in early 1939 by violating the Munich agreement ultimately proved fatal to [fill in the blank but very possibly most of Western civilization].
Remember, this guy did a fair amount of amphetamines. Tweakers will get crazy like that.
@dave @alyx @EverySingleTIme @Ok123 When did Hitler supposedly start taking amphetamines? Because he was absolutely brilliant in foreign affairs through Munich and the occupation of the Sudetenland.
@dave @alyx @EverySingleTIme @Ok123 Ummm, did you actually read your link? Because it says “Though Hitler may not have used Pervitin….” (methanephetamine).
Further down in that article it also says that his doctor gave him amphetamines.
@dave @alyx @EverySingleTIme @Ok123 Ah, you’re right, just not Pervitin (meth). However Theodor Morell became Hitler’s personal physician in 1936 per Wikipedia, a couple of years before Munich so the question of timing and catastrophic foreign policy decisions is still up in the air without for example reading the book or doctor’s diary.
Also as Humple mentioned this was also true for politicians in other countries. Check his replies in this thread but he had some interesting anecdotes about it.
Since I don't really know the true extent of his drug use I can't say how much that influenced his decision-making. But he clearly bit off more than he could chew trying to fight almost the entirety of Europe at once, and that may have been driven by manic behavior that one often associates with drugs.
@EverySingleTIme @alyx @dave @Ok123 “they all pretend the holocaust is real despite so much proof its a complete lie”
There’s a hell of a lot more to it than that. Denying even a bit of it is a crime in much if not most of Europe, and countries will extradite, including visiting foreigners to Germany where as I understand it it’s most harshly punished.
Then there’s the fact that it’s likely career let alone job death in the US and other places if any that won’t just throw you in jail.
If the issue is not important to the topic you’re discussing no need to make a big deal about it. And if we’re talking about something like D-Day, it’s not. Officially all the really bad stuff happened behind what became the Iron Curtain.
Popular. MSM etc. articles plus plenty of scurrilous books, media and the like of course are essentially propaganda, but more serious historical works like the book I recommended aren’t.
This is not the totality of our arguments against the holocaust. When you admit that in these 'irrelevant articles' there was this pattern of false atrocity propaganda we can move on to the other parts of the debate.
CatSoc 
"The Russian Imperial Census of 1897 was the first and only census performed in the Russian Empire (the Grand Duchy of Finland was excluded). It recorded demographic data as of 28 January [O.S. 15 January] 1897. The second Russian Census was scheduled for December 1915, but was cancelled because of World War I, which had begun during 1914.[1] It was not rescheduled before the Russian Revolution. The next census in Russia only occurred at the end of 1926, almost three decades later." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_Census
It reported that only 5.2 million jews were within the Russian Empire.
>Don't tell me what I will or won't admit, or this discussion is over.
I can see why you would be eager to get out. If you do believe in the 1906ocaust please prove it to me or you're a 1906ocaust denier and you will lose your job.
>Or is in line with a history of fucked up things a lot of countries always did to it's ethnic minorities.
So you are saying that Poland, Ukraine, the Russian Empire, Kaiser Wilhem's Germany, and the Soviet Union all exterminated millions of jews as claimed in the papers during that time period?
archive.org/details/sixsixsix/page/n3/mode/2up
Page 10 the New York Times claimed that 5 or 6 million jews were expelled from Russia. Yet their number isn't dramatically reduced to 0 in the 1926 soviet census. Do you deny this happened? The holocaust is not eastern europeans being mean to minorities. If you're saying that then the narrative is already lost. You're relativizing the suffering of 6 million jews! You are sounding like us now.
>Because apparently someone went to Russia, and was convinced that their government were considering Hitler's solution before he did. If anything this proves Hitler plagiarized. And people say he did nothing wrong... clearly we can add intellectual theft on top of it all.
Why are you a 1906ocaust denier?
@Ok123 @dave
Dude, your literal own source doesn't claim a holocaust happened or was happening in 1906 in Russia. Stop trying to act smart, you're clearly not. Clearly this discussion is over cause you're not even close to arguing in good faith. Someone else also posted your link, so I'll try to take a quick look at it.
What about the other newspaper claim that 6 million jews had been expelled from Russia in 1905? Or the 1919 New York Times allegation that 127,000 jews were killed by the Ukrainians and 6,000,000 in Poland and Ukraine receive noticed that they are going to be completely exterminated.
If you actually are jewish I'll let you leave the discussion because obviously if you are no amount of evidence will ever convince you.
@Ok123 @dave
>If you actually are jewish I'll let you leave the discussion
I'll be whatever you want me to be. I'll your kawaii moe jewish anime girl waifu, if you want. UwU
Over and over again, at best you have threats being made towards Jews. You have talking about potential extermination, but you don't have talking about "this extermination is currently taking place", like you should to match your claim of "jews made up a holocaust before Hitler's holocaust happened". All you're proving is that people in Europe didn't like jews, so they persecuted them, threatened their lives, and it gotten to the point that outright extermination was beginning to form as a plan. But your twisted mind somehow sees this proof that the holocaust didn't happen, instead of the obvious "this is the state of mind of the average european, this is why it was almost inevitable for a holocaust to happen in Europe".
And finally, cause it's the last thing I have the patience to respond to:
"What about the other newspaper claim that 6 million jews had been expelled from Russia in 1905?"
You have proof that it didn't happen? You yourself pointed that there was no census after that date because of WWI so you wouldn't know if people were expelled. You complain that there were only 5.2 million Jews by the census in 1897, but ignore any potential population change before 1905, ignore any potential migration, and most importantly, YOU'RE OBSESSED OVER A FRICKING NUMBER. These numbers are meant as approximations for fucks sake. When will you people get this through your thick skull! If the article making the claim actually said exactly 5.2 million, would you have accepted it then? Would you have looked at the census and said "yup, checks out"?! Are you that kind of autistic or something? Oh no, people round up numbers for artistic purposes! How could they!
>at best you have threats being made towards Jews. You have talking about potential extermination, but you don't have talking about "this extermination is currently taking place"
No, I have jews claiming that threats of extermination are being made against them. I showed you claims of exteriminations that had already happened in Ukraine. I also showed you the claim that 5 or 6 million had already been forcibly expelled from Russia. That would have been nearly the entire jewish population in Europe because most jews at that time lived in the Pale of Settlement which was administered by the Russian Empire. There is no dramatic drop in the jewish population in eastern Europe from the 1897 census and the 1926 census. This then is obviously a lie and not indicative of the European state of mind, it's the indicative of the zionist state of mind that for 40 years they pushed falsely in the biggest newspapers that they were on the verge of TOTAL extermination. They weren't going to be exterminated in 1880, 1905, 1919, 1921, or 1944. You can see that pattern repeating even now in this very discussion. We are trying to tell you no one is out to exterminate you but you believe that we want to and also eastern Europe was on threatening doing it every year since 1880.
>You have proof that it didn't happen? You yourself pointed that there was no census after that date because of WWI so you wouldn't know if people were expelled. You complain that there were only 5.2 million Jews by the census in 1897, but ignore any potential population change before 1905, ignore any potential migration,
Yes I can prove it. My proof is that in the 1926 census of the soviet union it had 2,672,502 jews and Poland (the other part of the area that would have been included in the Tsarist Census had 2,771,949 jews or in total 5.4 million jews ignoring the other areas of the pale of settlement that were given to other countries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1926)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_census_of_1921
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement
It's weird that you're trying to argue for the most obvious fact that the 1919 accused expulsion of 6 million jews happened when I think you don't actually believe that. You say we're obsessed but we weren't the ones writing this number over and over in every major newspaper for 4 decades. Again, we aren't debating the number in the millions. We are alleging that a number that might as well be considered 0 were deported in 1919. Not the entire russian population of jews.
