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@alyx Like everything else that isn't explicitly life-affirming, it's just faggy leftism
You can polish a turd.....
@Godcast @alyx What is "actual Christianity"? Catholicism, Protestantism, Branch Davidianism, etc, etc? Christians, and other critics of Satanism, are always quick to claim it isn't "actual Satanism" because it doesn't meet their preconceived notions of what "Satanism" is or because they don't respect other religions. LaVeyan Satanism isn't "devil worship" so it's typically dismissed as not being "actual Satanism" by detractors who have no knowledge whatsoever about the history of Satanism or what the term even means. It's simply choosing to wallow in ignorance because you dislike a group and therefore refuse to even bother trying to learn what it means of what it's about.
Look at Christianity. Look at how much infighting there is between different branches of Christianity. Catholics will proudly declare themselves true Christians then claim Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, etc, aren't real Christians. Protestants will do the same towards Catholics. And so on and so forth. Which one is the "actual Christianity"? Should someone who follows a different branch than you do just dismiss your entire religion as "not actual Christianity" just because yours doesn't meet their standards for what Christianity is? Do you follow the Bible word for word? Well, hey, maybe you've got the "wrong" translation - my preferred translation is the only real one that the "actual Christians" use, yours is wrong, and not "actual Christianity"! Do you see what this kind of logic does - it's poisoning the well, it's completely dismissing something outright just because you don't like it and because it's different. Not just dismissing it, but completely denying its existence, preferring to deny it entirely rather than even consider that it exists.
Look at Christianity. Look at how much infighting there is between different branches of Christianity. Catholics will proudly declare themselves true Christians then claim Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, etc, aren't real Christians. Protestants will do the same towards Catholics. And so on and so forth. Which one is the "actual Christianity"? Should someone who follows a different branch than you do just dismiss your entire religion as "not actual Christianity" just because yours doesn't meet their standards for what Christianity is? Do you follow the Bible word for word? Well, hey, maybe you've got the "wrong" translation - my preferred translation is the only real one that the "actual Christians" use, yours is wrong, and not "actual Christianity"! Do you see what this kind of logic does - it's poisoning the well, it's completely dismissing something outright just because you don't like it and because it's different. Not just dismissing it, but completely denying its existence, preferring to deny it entirely rather than even consider that it exists.
@galena @alyx @Godcast If it has nothing to do with the conception of Satan that everyone else on Earth has, why did they name it after the biblical figure Satan? If you mean to imply that they named it after the term "Satan" as "Opponent", my point still stands. They defined themselves based on their opposition to the norm. That's fucking gay as hell.
Now how about you bring some actual thoughts to the conversation, instead of saying "nuh uh, you just don't get it" again?
Now how about you bring some actual thoughts to the conversation, instead of saying "nuh uh, you just don't get it" again?
@KingDick @alyx @Godcast I respond in kind to the arguments I'm given. If you scroll up, you can very clearly see that the origin of this argument was someone responding to me with a take that poisoned the well originating from blind, willful ignorance. As such, I have 0 interest in actually having a debate here.
@galena @alyx @Godcast Am I someone from higher up in the thread? Oh wait, no I'm not. I'm me talking to you now. Stop using other people I have nothing to do with as an a excuse to not engage in conversation with me, specifically.
You are leaving me with only one reasonable assumption here: You are a coward and you cannot engage with simple discussion, so you must not have any faith at all in the veracity of your own statements.
You are leaving me with only one reasonable assumption here: You are a coward and you cannot engage with simple discussion, so you must not have any faith at all in the veracity of your own statements.
And 90% of Christians agree on who we worship, what He did, and why we worship Him. We just disagree on exactly how we go about it.
Pretty sure it's close to the same statistic on agreeing about Mormons. LOL
Pretty sure it's close to the same statistic on agreeing about Mormons. LOL
@doctorsex @Godcast @galena @alyx @KingDick You say that like it would stop him from taking it.
@galena @Godcast @alyx Yes friend Mormons are not Christians because they do not have a valid baptism. The simplest definition for a Christian is a person who has been validly baptized and has not apostatized from the faith. You may also consider catechumens as Christians if you wish, although they are not fully there yet. An early concept was the baptism of blood and baptism of desire, which could apply to catechumens who either are martyred or otherwise die before being baptized normally.
For a baptism to be valid, it must be done in the form that Jesus mentioned. He told us to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Water must also be used either by triple immersion, pouring, or sprinkling. We must also not actively reject any of the core fundamentals of the faith. In the early Church someone would have to learn the apostles creed and affirm it before they entered into the Church. The Nicene creed was used later as it had greater clarity.
So going back to the Mormons, they use the proper form of baptism, and use the water properly, but reject the core fundamentals by believing that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three separate gods rather than one God in three persons.
Another example of an invalid baptism is some Pentecostal groups. They do not reject the core teachings of the faith, and use the water properly, but will baptize in Jesus' name only. This makes their baptisms invalid.
Here is a list which you may use for reference. Catholic falls into the valid group, although it is not noted here because this is a list made by Catholics specifically for non-Catholic groups. Thank you friend.
For a baptism to be valid, it must be done in the form that Jesus mentioned. He told us to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Water must also be used either by triple immersion, pouring, or sprinkling. We must also not actively reject any of the core fundamentals of the faith. In the early Church someone would have to learn the apostles creed and affirm it before they entered into the Church. The Nicene creed was used later as it had greater clarity.
So going back to the Mormons, they use the proper form of baptism, and use the water properly, but reject the core fundamentals by believing that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three separate gods rather than one God in three persons.
Another example of an invalid baptism is some Pentecostal groups. They do not reject the core teachings of the faith, and use the water properly, but will baptize in Jesus' name only. This makes their baptisms invalid.
Here is a list which you may use for reference. Catholic falls into the valid group, although it is not noted here because this is a list made by Catholics specifically for non-Catholic groups. Thank you friend.
@galena @alyx @Godcast Yes friend other religions do exist, although satanism is not a religion, and could not be one even if every one of its members truly believed in it. God is by definition at the center of religion, so any belief system which does not focus on Him is not a religion. So Christianity is a religion, Islam is a religion, and even though they have strayed very far, Judaism can be called a religion. Satanism instead focuses on an entity which is contrary to God, and thus cannot be a religion. But for the most part its members are not even sincere in their beliefs anyway. Thank you friend.
