@alyx but even if it was true, that annoying OS bombards me with mafia like dialogs where I have a "choice" that is either "Yes" or "(less) Yes"

That edge dialog is just the tip of the iceberg, It also shows up while changing the standard browser or even searching bing in edge for "firefox" (A huge "ad" appears on top of the results page).

@lerk
I wouldn't call it mafia, but yes it's annoying. But I also seem to remember Google advertising Chrome when using their search engine from a different browser. And then there's Apple...
Point is, I think it's common practice for companies to advertise their own products within their own ecosystem. I doubt there's anything that can be done about it.

@alyx macOS never bothers me with anything about using their products over someone else's.
(Can't say anything about iOS)

@lerk
>macOS never bothers me with anything about using their products over someone else's
Except the parts where you can't upgrade or fix iOS without using a Mac. Or how they'll blame you for not buying their cloud backup if the hardware they sold you fails miserably.
Apple does it differently, but they still push their own products on you.

@alyx what?

I had an iPhone 11 a while ago and it never required a mac. As far as I know you need iTunes on Windows for firmware restores but you also need the espressif flash software for your ESP32 so I don't really know that counts as "pushing your product on people".

To the cloud stuff I only can say "No backup, no compassion", regardless of where you store your backups, of course they'll tell you to use iCloud because apple doesn't sell external hard drives.

@lerk
And I know some of their newer devices can't be firmware restored except with the use of another Apple device.

>"No backup, no compassion"
The difference is Apple products are basically faulty by design. Go watch some Louis Rossmann. And Apple aren't selling iCloud as just another backup solution, they're selling it as the fix to their own faulty hardware. They won't even admit their products are bad. They'll say you "used it wrong" by not buying the iCloud, they'll refuse to repair your device and claim the data is lost. Even though it was proven time and time again that the faults they claim are unrepairable can be repaired just fine and the data can be restored, without needing iShit.

So let's not Apple shill, and pretend Apple isn't the king of pushing their own products onto you. Should I add the earbuds that are handicapped for no good reason on Android? The countless number of times they have you buy dongles on top of dongles, or the meme that was the monitor stand or the Mac wheels?