No More Singularities? Quantum Gravity Could Finally Solve the Black Hole Mystery

Scientists have discovered a way to create black holes without the mysterious singularities where physics breaks down. By using pure gravity rather than exotic matter, their new model challenges previous theories and brings us closer to understanding the true nature of spacetime. This breakthroug

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@j Somehow this smells a bit like BS, because this is the first time I've heard anything about black holes requiring anything that could be described as "exotic matter".

Also, the entire singularity problem has kinda been debunked before. You see, if you do the math with Einstein's equations, and assume a static (non-rotating) black hole, you get a singularity as a result of the equations. But to date, all observed black holes have been found to be spinning.
Doing the math on a spinning black hole is much, much harder, but apparently you don't get a singularity anymore from Einstein's equations. You still get an event horizon, a point beyond which the gravity is so large that no light can escape, but underneath that the matter is shaped into a highly dense donut shape. No physics breaking, infinitely small, singularity required.

Of course, Einstein's theory is considered incomplete, and people are looking and hoping for a quantum gravity theory to know for sure what happens in these extreme conditions.

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>this is the first time I've heard anything about black holes requiring anything that could be described as "exotic matter".

What exactly did you think the singularity was made out of?

@j It's made of normal matter, compressed to an infinitely small size. That doesn't make it "exotic matter". lol.

Exotic matter refers to things like tachyons and other hypothetical particles that we have no proof to their existence, not even mathematical hints of them existing, that people speculate on because maybe they could make wormholes or time travel work.

Black holes are literally made from collapsing stars. There's nothing special about the matter they're made from. It's the same elements, the same protons, neutrons and electrons you find in a star. Why are we debating this like it's some big unknown?

@alyx What is the information paradox and how do you solve it?

@j You mean the black hole information paradox? As far as I know, there's no widely accepted solution.

@j The black hole information paradox is the issue stemmed from the axiom that information cannot be destroyed, but once matter hits a black hole's singularity, the information it carried cannot be retried, and thus it is considered destroyed. IIRC it conflicts with one of the laws of thermodynamics.

@alyx @j >the axiom that information cannot be destroyed
Is that the axiom that entropy can only increase, or a different one?

>the information it carried cannot be retried
Don't you get more entropy out eventually via hawking radiation?

@Suiseiseki @j
It's not just a matter of entropy. The entire issue is that so far all the laws of physics are time agnostic. So we expect that if we know the position, direction, and speed of a particle, we can use this to essentially reverse it's arrow of time and figure out where it's been. And in theory, if we have this information about each and every particle in the universe, we can reverse time and calculate back every single past event in the history of the universe.

But black holes presumably break that, and it's precisely because of Hawking radiation that it goes completely to shit.
I don't know if you're familiar to exactly what Hawking radiation is exactly, but it has to do with something called virtual particles. Virtual particles are matter-antimatter pairs of particles that appear out of nowhere, from the vacuum energy of space, and immediately annihilate each other. We know that they exist because of the Casimir effect, but we call them virtual particles because they annihilate each other so fast, you'll basically never detect them directly.
But when they pop into existence at the event horizon of a black hole, you'll have the situation where the matter particle escapes (this is the Hawking radiation) and antimatter particle falls into the black hole, where it will annihilate with a different matter particle inside the black hole. Which causes the problem, because at this point it presumably destroys the information of that particle, so there is no more way to extract its direction and speed, and compute its past. And the Hawking radiation that escapes has no way, that we're aware so far, to carry with it information about the particle that got annihilated inside the black hole.

This is all my basic understanding of the subject matter, as someone without a specialty in the field. If you're interested, I highly recommend you search at least for a mini-documentary or video on the matter from people who know better. There are details I don't fully grasp either, or know, such as why is it expected that the anti-matter virtual particles are more likely to fall into the black hole, than its matter pair. But this seems to be the status quo accepted by scientists since they expect this process to completely evaporate black holes over incredibly long periods of time.

@j @alyx idunno, the fabric of space-time no longer looped into particle form or some shit
@GrungeQueef @j @alyx sucks it in and farts it out...they're turning the universe into a jewish home movie?

@alyx@gameliberty.club @j@shitposter.world As usual journos just don't read their sources. Didn't even read the abstract apparently, as it says nothing about exotic matter. The paper is about modeling black holes via only the consideration of gravity (rather than matter).

@dotnet @alyx I didn't read the article, I just read the abstract of the paper. I really have little idea what the argument is about. I'm just stirring the pot for fun.
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